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Bagso
I am, and right next to a MAG airport which does diddly squat for the local business community that it serves; instead pampering to the leisure / loco passenger business. In fairness that's probably because BHX serves the greater Midlands better with business services and the legacy carriers have no interest in diluting the market. Does a fantastic job for cargo / integrators too!!! I think also that MAG believes most of the UK north of the M25 to be in their "catchment" area.
You're right I missed that - we agree there!!!
They didn't need to as BHX will be daily from DEL from November and Manchester / the Northwest is also in the BHX catchment area. We don't need regional airports scrapping between each other for business to that extent.
Assuming you are in Nottingham , you are by MAGs own figures "IN" the Manchester catchment area
Manchester Airport's management is not there to promote tourism, nor is it there to promote commerce in the Northwest. There are bodies, such as the tourism organisations and chambers of commerce along with politicians that do that.
The India forum last week 40 plus organisations from the NWest but no reference to Manchester Airport actually being there, maybe they were but there profile was hardly prominent....
....maybe we trade with India by using taxi or even train as opposed to plane ?
....maybe we trade with India by using taxi or even train as opposed to plane ?
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Good luck to Brum with Delhi and all that but as someone who travels to India 4/5 times a year, I will continue to use Emirates or Etihad, mainly because I go to places in India that aren't Delhi (mainly Bangalore but Chennai too).
In my opinion MAN to India is better served than BHX to India because of the seemingly endless connections to this huge country through multiple daily flights.
I visit Dhaka occasionally too but even when they offered flights from MAN there is no way I would have used them - it never even entered my mind - again EK,QR etc
In my opinion MAN to India is better served than BHX to India because of the seemingly endless connections to this huge country through multiple daily flights.
I visit Dhaka occasionally too but even when they offered flights from MAN there is no way I would have used them - it never even entered my mind - again EK,QR etc
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That is absolutely your prerogative, but on that basis bagso's comment regarding India is unfounded, since nobody wants to travel direct. It would seem also that there would no requirement for any direct services to elsewhere in Asia / Australasia as people would rather use a connecting service.
Somehow I fear that is not true!
Good luck to Brum with Delhi and all that but as someone who travels to India 4/5 times a year, I will continue to use Emirates or Etihad, mainly because I go to places in India that aren't Delhi (mainly Bangalore but Chennai too).
In my opinion MAN to India is better served than BHX to India because of the seemingly endless connections to this huge country through multiple daily flights.
In my opinion MAN to India is better served than BHX to India because of the seemingly endless connections to this huge country through multiple daily flights.
Somehow I fear that is not true!
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flybe:
"REGIONAL airline Flybe has announced a new daily year-round route from Manchester to Amsterdam.The new service to Schipol airport will begin on October 26. One way fares, including taxes and other charges start at £39.99.The airline will operate daily flights between Manchester and Amsterdam using 88-seat Embraer 175 jet aircraft. Monday to Friday flights will depart from Manchester at 1340 arriving at Amsterdam at 1615".
As someone who has been disappointed with the lack of growth by flybe to Europe from MAN, I have to admit to being more than surprised by this announcement and particularly the choice of route, considering we already have numerous flights by KLM and U2. There are still a number of destination voids that perhaps could be better filled. Still, we can only wish them well and their commitment is welcome.
"REGIONAL airline Flybe has announced a new daily year-round route from Manchester to Amsterdam.The new service to Schipol airport will begin on October 26. One way fares, including taxes and other charges start at £39.99.The airline will operate daily flights between Manchester and Amsterdam using 88-seat Embraer 175 jet aircraft. Monday to Friday flights will depart from Manchester at 1340 arriving at Amsterdam at 1615".
As someone who has been disappointed with the lack of growth by flybe to Europe from MAN, I have to admit to being more than surprised by this announcement and particularly the choice of route, considering we already have numerous flights by KLM and U2. There are still a number of destination voids that perhaps could be better filled. Still, we can only wish them well and their commitment is welcome.
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I think they will need more than good wishes on the AMS route if this is only via Flybe, don't they codeshare with AF/KLM group or maybe that is what they have in mind with possible strong 1 stop routing currently?
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LHR & LGW have posted record July figures with the latter up 6% on last July but LHR up a more modest 0.6% from memory.
Looks like we may find out MAN's results from the provisional CAA stats. as still nothing on their web site.
Looks like we may find out MAN's results from the provisional CAA stats. as still nothing on their web site.
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They certainly codeshare with AF on the CDG route, so given that AFKLM are one big happy family I would expect a codeshare with KLM alongside a frequency reduction on KLM metal.
That said I have some Emirates miles expiring soon so this seems like a good opportunity to redeem them on easyjet and fly the other leg on this new service to AMS
They certainly codeshare with AF on the CDG route, so given that AFKLM are one big happy family I would expect a codeshare with KLM alongside a frequency reduction on KLM metal.
That said I have some Emirates miles expiring soon so this seems like a good opportunity to redeem them on easyjet and fly the other leg on this new service to AMS
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KLM and Flybe code sharing comes up occasionally and as I understand it, KLM have an agreement that with one or more of their unions that they will code share on no more than two routes to each country (presumably to protect jobs at KLM).
Currently KLM and Flybe code share on SOU-AMS and INV-AMS so unless something changes, I'd be surprised to see them code share with Flybe to MAN.
Flybe operate to AMS from BHX and do not cooperate with KLM.
Pity really that the arrangement which works well with Air France cannot be extended to KLM.
Currently KLM and Flybe code share on SOU-AMS and INV-AMS so unless something changes, I'd be surprised to see them code share with Flybe to MAN.
Flybe operate to AMS from BHX and do not cooperate with KLM.
Pity really that the arrangement which works well with Air France cannot be extended to KLM.
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Flybe operate to AMS from BHX and do not cooperate with KLM.
Pity really that the arrangement which works well with Air France cannot be extended to KLM.
Pity really that the arrangement which works well with Air France cannot be extended to KLM.
The AF codeshare is rather deeper includes Flybe offering a range (through expensive) of tickets beyond Paris around Europe and what more important is a profit sharing venture.
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It might work well for the 2 airlines, but since it was introduced it has led to very expensive MAN-CDG flights, so not so good for the punters. It is rare that the 2 early morning departures aren't ridculously expensive.
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There are two good reasons why the AF/BE arrangement is a bad thing:
1. It's basically a cartel rather than competition ie there is no competition on the MAN-CDG route. That's why fares are high.
2. It's mis-selling ie paying for a higher quality product and receiving an inferior one instead. You pay for an Air France Business Class ticket from MAN - CDG - XXX and you will only get business class on the CDG-XXX portion of the flight if you are unlucky enough to be on an AF code share operated by BE.
This happened to me once last year on a returning trip when after a long 11 hour AF flight, I ended up completing my journey on a crop duster surrounded by the cliche Disney family complete with screaming brats kicking you in the back. Yet my boarding pass still (rather pathetically) said 'Business Class' in big letters across the top. Personally I think that's fraud.
Result: AF now are on my 'avoid list'. KL will go the same way if they out-source their flying to BE.
1. It's basically a cartel rather than competition ie there is no competition on the MAN-CDG route. That's why fares are high.
2. It's mis-selling ie paying for a higher quality product and receiving an inferior one instead. You pay for an Air France Business Class ticket from MAN - CDG - XXX and you will only get business class on the CDG-XXX portion of the flight if you are unlucky enough to be on an AF code share operated by BE.
This happened to me once last year on a returning trip when after a long 11 hour AF flight, I ended up completing my journey on a crop duster surrounded by the cliche Disney family complete with screaming brats kicking you in the back. Yet my boarding pass still (rather pathetically) said 'Business Class' in big letters across the top. Personally I think that's fraud.
Result: AF now are on my 'avoid list'. KL will go the same way if they out-source their flying to BE.
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This from your competition down the road !
“Birmingham’s profile is growing considerably on the international stage with a significant increase in visitor numbers and influential global publications such as The Times of India and China Daily highlighting the city’s leisure offer. It is clear that we are becoming an attractive holiday and business destination to people in India"
If you read the full article on the BHX thread the airport are actively involved in this excellent initiative !
Does your view remain the same ?
ie The airport is there simply to provide handling !
Its no secret that my view is that BHX has limitations...... but my goodness "at least" they are trying !
Times Of India, China Daily good grief, the output of some airports is limited to the stellar reach of The Manchester Evening News .......
Maybe they are using Sina Weibo and they haven't told us ?
All the Universities in The North are, and somewhat ironically offer Chinese students masses of information about getting to their respective Cities from Manchester Airport, but no the airport itself remains steadfast in terms of output !
Meanwhile we still wait with bated breath for latest figures !
This from your competition down the road !
“Birmingham’s profile is growing considerably on the international stage with a significant increase in visitor numbers and influential global publications such as The Times of India and China Daily highlighting the city’s leisure offer. It is clear that we are becoming an attractive holiday and business destination to people in India"
If you read the full article on the BHX thread the airport are actively involved in this excellent initiative !
Does your view remain the same ?
ie The airport is there simply to provide handling !
Its no secret that my view is that BHX has limitations...... but my goodness "at least" they are trying !
Times Of India, China Daily good grief, the output of some airports is limited to the stellar reach of The Manchester Evening News .......
Maybe they are using Sina Weibo and they haven't told us ?
All the Universities in The North are, and somewhat ironically offer Chinese students masses of information about getting to their respective Cities from Manchester Airport, but no the airport itself remains steadfast in terms of output !
Meanwhile we still wait with bated breath for latest figures !
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Manchester pax figures up by 6% for July
News / July passenger numbers up 6% at Manchester THEBUSINESSDESK.COM
MANCHESTER Airport remains on course for its best-ever year for passenger numbers after a 6% hike in July.
More than 2.4 million people departed from the airport on holiday or on business during the month.
The 6% increase on the same month in 2013 takes the rolling annual total up to 21.36m, putting Manchester, the third busiest airport in the country after Heathrow and Gatwick, on target to achieve its busiest-ever summer since 2007 and surpass its peak of 22 million within the next year.
Ken O’Toole, chief commercial officer at MAG, the parent company of Manchester, Stansted, East Midlands and Bournemouth airports, said: "We are on a path of sustained growth in passenger numbers and are encouraged by what’s in the pipeline. New operators and new routes contribute to this, as does increased consumer confidence in the UK’s economic recovery.
"Customer experience remains an area of focus at Manchester and we continue to look at ways of improving the operation at Manchester, for the benefit of all of our users. We know there are still opportunities out there and we expect that as public transport access to the airport improves further with the additional rail and Metrolink options, that more business and leisure travellers will see Manchester as the most natural fit for their travel needs.
"We continue to raise awareness of what’s on offer here across the North of England with successful marketing campaigns such as ‘Fly Manchester’."
During July, easyJet announced it would introduce a new flight to Madeira from Manchester Airport. The new route to Funchal on Madeira will launch in February 2015. Funchal is easyJet’s 35th destination from Manchester Airport where the airline now employs over 320 staff and bases eight permanent aircraft at the site.
Corsican Places also celebrated the start of its new Manchester holiday service to Figari in Southern Corsica on July 13. The new route, with airline Flybe, adds to the tour operator’s charter programme which also includes a Manchester flight service into Calvi in the north of the island with the same airline.
It wasn't all good news though as Saudia Arabian airline Flynas axed its Jeddah to Manchester service after just three months.
News / July passenger numbers up 6% at Manchester THEBUSINESSDESK.COM
MANCHESTER Airport remains on course for its best-ever year for passenger numbers after a 6% hike in July.
More than 2.4 million people departed from the airport on holiday or on business during the month.
The 6% increase on the same month in 2013 takes the rolling annual total up to 21.36m, putting Manchester, the third busiest airport in the country after Heathrow and Gatwick, on target to achieve its busiest-ever summer since 2007 and surpass its peak of 22 million within the next year.
Ken O’Toole, chief commercial officer at MAG, the parent company of Manchester, Stansted, East Midlands and Bournemouth airports, said: "We are on a path of sustained growth in passenger numbers and are encouraged by what’s in the pipeline. New operators and new routes contribute to this, as does increased consumer confidence in the UK’s economic recovery.
"Customer experience remains an area of focus at Manchester and we continue to look at ways of improving the operation at Manchester, for the benefit of all of our users. We know there are still opportunities out there and we expect that as public transport access to the airport improves further with the additional rail and Metrolink options, that more business and leisure travellers will see Manchester as the most natural fit for their travel needs.
"We continue to raise awareness of what’s on offer here across the North of England with successful marketing campaigns such as ‘Fly Manchester’."
During July, easyJet announced it would introduce a new flight to Madeira from Manchester Airport. The new route to Funchal on Madeira will launch in February 2015. Funchal is easyJet’s 35th destination from Manchester Airport where the airline now employs over 320 staff and bases eight permanent aircraft at the site.
Corsican Places also celebrated the start of its new Manchester holiday service to Figari in Southern Corsica on July 13. The new route, with airline Flybe, adds to the tour operator’s charter programme which also includes a Manchester flight service into Calvi in the north of the island with the same airline.
It wasn't all good news though as Saudia Arabian airline Flynas axed its Jeddah to Manchester service after just three months.
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Well done Ian - I was assuming the results would appear on the MAN web site first or we might have to wait for the the CAA figures.
Must admit, it's better than I expected and good to see Ken O'Toole sounding an upbeat note - "sustained growth" and "what's in the pipeline".
Must admit, it's better than I expected and good to see Ken O'Toole sounding an upbeat note - "sustained growth" and "what's in the pipeline".
Bagso
I have (eventually) read the whole of the posting, which looks as though it's a direct lift from a typical piece of PR man's blurb - and do they write some rubbish sometimes!
I think that for "partnering" one should read actively trying to get airlines to serve markets (directly) that the tourism and business promotion organisations such as the Chambers of Commerce and the Tourism bodies are targeting. I still firmly believe that the airport works to get the airlines in; and the others the bums to put on the airline's seats. However this is very much a "chicken and egg" situation.
All this work that is done in the West Midlands has lead to some "great heroic failures" in the area of the Indian subcontinent - with questionable local travel agents doing deals with questionable airlines offering services with very limited longevity in the past!!
I have (eventually) read the whole of the posting, which looks as though it's a direct lift from a typical piece of PR man's blurb - and do they write some rubbish sometimes!
I think that for "partnering" one should read actively trying to get airlines to serve markets (directly) that the tourism and business promotion organisations such as the Chambers of Commerce and the Tourism bodies are targeting. I still firmly believe that the airport works to get the airlines in; and the others the bums to put on the airline's seats. However this is very much a "chicken and egg" situation.
All this work that is done in the West Midlands has lead to some "great heroic failures" in the area of the Indian subcontinent - with questionable local travel agents doing deals with questionable airlines offering services with very limited longevity in the past!!
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Hi!
I have been trying to find out how you get to the 23L/05R side of the airport to view aircraft. There are lots of videos on YouTube that have been filmed from that side so I was wondering if anyone can tell me how you get onto the embankment there? Been trying to take some close up pics of the aircraft for ages and don't want to upset any of the locals by trespassing!
Any info greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I have been trying to find out how you get to the 23L/05R side of the airport to view aircraft. There are lots of videos on YouTube that have been filmed from that side so I was wondering if anyone can tell me how you get onto the embankment there? Been trying to take some close up pics of the aircraft for ages and don't want to upset any of the locals by trespassing!
Any info greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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Are you coming by car/bike?
if so take Styal Road from Heald Green past the airport turn and then the next right about 3/4 mile this road then meanders until the airport boundary fence near the fire training ground after about half a mile, before road takes a left turn heading towards Styal theare some parking spaces,park there and cross road and go through big gate on right following the old road as far as it goes then follow footpath along side of fence
as the parth starts to dip down with a left turn you will se a gate
with path that then takes you upto the mound with amazing views.
hope this is clear if not pm me and I will try and help
Be warned you will be quite a way from your car so make sure you have all you need.
if so take Styal Road from Heald Green past the airport turn and then the next right about 3/4 mile this road then meanders until the airport boundary fence near the fire training ground after about half a mile, before road takes a left turn heading towards Styal theare some parking spaces,park there and cross road and go through big gate on right following the old road as far as it goes then follow footpath along side of fence
as the parth starts to dip down with a left turn you will se a gate
with path that then takes you upto the mound with amazing views.
hope this is clear if not pm me and I will try and help
Be warned you will be quite a way from your car so make sure you have all you need.
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Monarch Airlines have pulled EMA as a base for next summer. In answer to some questions about their schedule:
From MON website-
"Through a review of its network strategy, the Airline is focussing on offering customers greater flight frequency and more sociable departure times to short-haul European destinations from its main UK bases. These changes are already reflected in Monarch’s summer 2015 schedule, much of which is already on sale. The Airline expects to add more flights to its programme for next summer in the coming months."
It seems that the schedule released is not the full schedule for next summer. With the EMA base closure, that does leave 2 aircraft free which may transfer to BHX/LGW/LTN. I have a feeling LBA may follow with that base closure rumoured so MAN may see them 2 aircraft based at LBA currently for next summer? All speculation of course. They also have 2 new A321 for next summer and the 3 757's leaving at the end of this summer.
From MON website-
"Through a review of its network strategy, the Airline is focussing on offering customers greater flight frequency and more sociable departure times to short-haul European destinations from its main UK bases. These changes are already reflected in Monarch’s summer 2015 schedule, much of which is already on sale. The Airline expects to add more flights to its programme for next summer in the coming months."
It seems that the schedule released is not the full schedule for next summer. With the EMA base closure, that does leave 2 aircraft free which may transfer to BHX/LGW/LTN. I have a feeling LBA may follow with that base closure rumoured so MAN may see them 2 aircraft based at LBA currently for next summer? All speculation of course. They also have 2 new A321 for next summer and the 3 757's leaving at the end of this summer.