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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 12:54
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 15:36
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AAL 55 departed DUB again about 20 mins ago c 1615 - got about 30 miles to the North and is returning to DUB again
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 16:25
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JUNE Stats are out early.

Pretty good results:

Terminal pax for month up 5.79% (including transits 5.59%)
with
Domestic up 10.6%

Sch Intl. up 12.37%

Charter down 11.94%

Moving annual total for Terminal pax is now 21,218,973 ( up 5.42%)
Including transits 21,329,389 ( 5.13%)

Freight though was down 8.12%
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 18:43
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MANFOD,

Good increases in Sced and domestic, but another fall in freight, is this one due to CX pulling off cargo flights ?

If so hopefully will get some of this back when they can carry belly cargo in the 77W hold when it starts.
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 19:26
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Anybody any idea who shredded a tyre on T/O from 23L about 0845 this morning? Only ask as I was sitting No1 @ Tango1 whilst they were sweeping the runway
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 19:54
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Re the drop in freight in June, I guess CX was the main factor Nigel, although I think the flights were already on an ad hoc basis before they finally finished near the end of May. Not all that many years ago, we sometimes had 3 x B747 freighters on the ground at the same time.

MAN's record year for cargo carried was 2007 when it was 165,000 tonnes, the record for pax numbers being the previous year with 22.42 million.

Passenger-wise, things are going very well at present and if growth were to continue at 4-5% then 2015 calendar year could be a record for MAN. Of course, much could happen in the meantime be it terrorist alerts, wars, oil price hikes, volcanic eruptions or just economic downturns to change the picture, and as we know some airlines have issued profit warnings or talked about a soft market for this summer's bookings. Still, there are those rumours of new long haul routes for MAN to be announced with CX and the TCX routes to the US already confirmed so let's hope the upward trend continues. Other UK airports such as LGW and BHX have also been performing well.
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 20:42
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Tuesday was little better. Only 3 serviceable check in desks. Meaning Premium Rouge was merged with bag drop. Only 3 prem rouge pax, took 45 minutes to check in. Baggage check not given. Although aircraft arrived at MAN on time, took off 45 minutes late due to slow bag loading. Meaning a 2hr 15 min turn round. Prem rouge not pre boarded either. AC + Swissport need to get the product sorted if they come back next year. I paid twice the economy fare and got nothing extra on the ground for it.
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 20:48
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Anybody any idea who shredded a tyre on T/O from 23L about 0845 this morning? Only ask as I was sitting No1 @ Tango1 whilst they were sweeping the runway
Rumour of a Thomson 737 damaged tyre and flaps on landing. A LH 320 then took off and sustained damage from the debris.

Lots of red faces.
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 10:20
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Ouch.......

M E N leading the charge again !

"Holidaymakers queue outside terminal at airport"

Queues out the door at Manchester airport | Granada - ITV News

An airport spokesman was quick to play down that it was anything to do with increased security adding

"it was just a typical day in the holiday season"

bloody hell...... well that's ok then !

Rightly or indeed wrongly this was a perfect opportunity to place cause and effect somewhere else, utterly lost with the blame heaped firmly back into the airports lap.

Is the "PR" outsourced do we know ?

Does anybody from the airport actually work in communications and spin ?


"yes over here"
"blame us",
"totally our fault"
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 11:10
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Actually Bagso, I'm not sure it would be beneficial to redirect blame onto the extra security measures. That would still raise questions as to why MAN was effected if other airports were not. Yesterday's reports suggested there were longer queues at MAN while other airports including LHR & LGW were operating normally.

However, some additional facts in today's report might have been helpful, such as:

Were all security lanes staffed when the queues extended outside the terminal?

How long did the problem last - was it 05.00 to 07.00 or what?

How many security lanes and machines are there in T1?

Mind you, if the answer to the first question is "no", that begs the question "why not?"

I do agree though it wasn't great PR and if passengers are alleging it took them nearly 2 hours to get through security it's somewhat meaningless advising folk to arrive 2 hours before departure. Some comment as to why it was exceptional or what steps were being taken to improve matters for the rest of the summer were needed rather than implying "look how busy we are, isn't it great"!
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 12:32
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I had long Queues out the door in Terminal 1 back in October 2011, so This is definitely not the first time it's occurred
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 13:23
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EGYPTAIR

Just a bit of info...wife's friend went out on this on Good Friday, returning some 5 weeks later. She says it was 90% full on both legs!
She was off to South Africa and a previous poster on here said they had good African connections. She found it cheap, too.


I appreciate that this is just a quick snapshot but hope this route stays.


Anybody else heard how they're doing?
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 16:06
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I take your point MANFOD was just underwhelmed by the phraseology in the PR statement !

There may well be faults but was there really any need to issue such a bland statement.

"Yes it's our fault" and sorry "it's summer that's how things are up here".

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Make no apologies for lifting this from the DUB thread re Ethiopian.

The DAA (Dublin Airport Authority) has gone out to several airlines and ET is not the only one to have been approached, just the first one that seems to have bitten.

The DAA would not have made these approaches if the govt were going to obstruct it - and the govt's policy is to encourage fifth freedom rights; the new aviation policy will enshrine this as policy - and a good thing too. If EI doesn't fly the route, it can't act as "dog in the manger". I can't see US carriers being too pushed, as no US carriers has sought to fly LAX-DUB.

There are still quite a few cities to which we don't yet have a link and I'm sure the govt would encourage the DAA to tout for routes and if fifth freedom rights work as the bait to reel them in, then let them do it.


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yes, yes, yes, I know they have pre clearance

....AND doubtless there will be objections from other airlines.

BUT look at the creativity of thinking, the gist of this is "we don' t have a service so we are going to look at options and hunt down the traffic".

They are seemingly looking at their location and airlines that are routing over the top from A To B.

In addition they do not seem too bothered about tip toeing around their current customers !

....NOT only that the Government changed aviation policy to promote growth at Dublin recognizing it as a major player !

We are getting lots of weasel words from our political parties about "rebalancing The North" but little action, Manchester is staring them in the face, but both Tory and Labour seem oblivious , would it not be be refreshing if we had same creativity of thinking on airport policy?

In the meantime lets hope MAG are ALSO hunting down such opportunities !

Lets also hope our Government are also helping them, despite "appearing" somewhat mute on aviation policy other than increasing taxes OR runways !

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Old 4th Jul 2014, 16:43
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Bagso can you list your top three quick wins that you honestly and relaistically think can be accomplished with focus and determination?
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 18:00
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1) Transport spending:
£2731 per head in London
£134 per head in the North West

2) 12 out of top 20 major infrastructure projects involving public funding benefit only London and the South East compare this with just 5 of the top 20 in the North.

3) Main Tourism site, centrally funded but almost exclusively the preserve of ....er London.

Will that do for focus, determination and how about this......"FAIRNESS"
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Cool thanks, you got a link to the source for those numbers please?

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Old 4th Jul 2014, 20:45
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IPPR Think Tank for Northern values

...next question

you usually have one !

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Old 5th Jul 2014, 08:26
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Can I add a follow up question, please?

The comparison of transport spending is very striking. But as always with statistics (damned lies...) it's important to understand the reason for the difference. I wonder how much of the huge figure for the London area is related to the one-off impact of the vastly expensive Crossrail project.

However, my main question for Bagso and others is to identify which specific transport projects might be favoured in the Northwest, and which are currently being denied funding. My general impression is that in recent years funding has generally been provided for schemes such as Metrolink expansion, A555, various rail schemes etc.

It's one thing to point out the huge imbalance in spending, but surely the real issue is to identify those projects in our region that are currently being denied funding. And then go after those responsible....

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Old 5th Jul 2014, 19:40
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Let BA Shrink Your Money!

I've often seen it alleged by our home counties brethren visiting this thread that we Mancs "hate" BA or harbour unreasonable bias against that company. I have always responded that I consider it illogical to "hate" BA … I simply find them quite irrelevant to my travel needs as on most journeys from MAN a risky and stressful LHR transit is a requirement.

However, today I was making plans for a trip to London itself and it seemed logical to consider BA for the gig … especially having afew unredeemed 'Avios' in the bank.

Here is the deal. For MAN-LHR-MAN you use 9000 Avios and must pay 'taxes and charges' (that much-abused nebulous concept).

How did that work out for me? Well …

Option 1: 9000 Avios plus 'Taxes and Charges' of GBP109.65.

Yes, that's correct. GBP109.65 in add-ons for a BA MAN-LHR return. Awesome!!!

Well obviously, I had to try the same flights via the standard BA.com booking engine. Result:

Option 2: Return Fare via BA.com GBP113.65

So, in exchange for my lovingly-accumulated 9000 Avios I'm offered a princely saving of exactly FOUR POUNDS! To put that in context, you have to convert GBP15.00 of Tesco vouchers to even reach 9000 Avios in the first place! Some deal that is. Is it unreasonable to expect slightly more than that for our loyalty?

Time to check Option 3. Virgin Little Red, same dates similar flight times.

Price: GBP95.96 … and no loyalty points burned off.

So I'm passing up BA's enticing offer yet again. Not because I "hate" them. But because not only are they irrelevant to my travel plans to points beyond London, they're not even competitive traveling TO London anymore!

As for that loyalty points scheme … what does it take for the 'serious fraud' bods to take a look?!!! It's back to money off Tesco groceries for me!
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 19:54
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Really?

I often use my avios and book reward flights LON-MAN return, 9000 avios and £30 in taxes.

Seem a pretty good deal to me, and every time I have looked at little Red, they are always more expensive than BA …
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