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Old 21st Dec 2013, 09:56
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LAX-LHR

lol. Did I make a typo or just not make it clear?

The 13 based a/c was meant to refer to LS, which Viscount suggested was what was required rather than the 15 mentioned elsewhere. I was trying to establish how this would compare with this summer.

There's also been variations re the MON base with figures of 10 or 12 indicated.
Whether their 4 additional routes and frequency changes require an extra a/c I'm not sure, but what impact on seats available if the B757 and A300 are gone?

I agree Moscow is disappointing. The CAA stats for November showed 3,827 pax. Assuming all flights operated at 4 x weekly, it's a minimum of 32 sectors, (34 if it operates Fri or Sat - I've not checked), so an average load of 113 or 119, not great on an A320, even though November isn't the busiest month.

ps. I'm not sure I'll still be around to see RYR with 13 a/c based!

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Old 21st Dec 2013, 10:04
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MANFOD,

It was Bagso who questioned the units?
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 10:10
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Quite right LAX-LHR. Apologies to both you and Bagso.

Memo to self - must read name of posters correctly in future.

Oh well, the rest of the comments apply, whoever cares to read them.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 10:16
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Is there any particular reason Etihad are operating MAN-DUB-MAN today?

A6-ETI B777 operating EY8021/8022.

Perhaps EY had a potentially embarrassing oversale on DUB today and extending the MAN was the best way out of it ? Happens to even the best airlines occasionally.
Must be a busy day in DUB today as Emirates also running a DXB extra EK3161/3162
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 16:53
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They could of put a 777 on the afternoon dub either but if it is because of over sale it is a little embarrassing considering its busy period of year. Forward planning!
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 16:57
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There may not have been a spare aircraft to operate the flight.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 17:14
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The Manchester flight had some late connecting Virgin Australia passengers on board that were bound for Dublin, hence the extra Leg.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 17:35
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The Manchester flight had some late connecting Virgin Australia passengers on board that were bound for Dublin, hence the extra Leg.
Now thats quality service !

Going to get scalded however could you ever see BA do such a thing - Thought not !
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 17:46
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Weather playing havoc tonight.
PK775 couldn't get into LBA, started to head to BHX, but BHX out of limit now so heading to MAN and EK37 holding at BHX.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 18:36
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Now thats quality service !
Hang on, how did they manage that if it was last minute? The crew would have had to fly AUH-MAN-DUB-MAN surely?
could you ever see BA do such a thing - Thought not !
Certainly not, they're a commercial organisation!
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 19:19
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Both cities have a 332 and 77W daily service at the moment.

So the crews could may have swapped I suppose.

Further the afternoon Manchester flight normally has a significant lay over so i won't effect the return service.

Don't know for sure but was the Dublin-Manchester simply a positioning flight ?
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 19:59
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The EY positioned DUB-MAN empty.

DUB is daily B77W and 4 weekly A330 and MAN is daily B77W and daily A330.

The DUB flights have been maxed out today so the decision was made to extend the EY21 1 way to DUB. Crew hours would not have been an issue as AUH-MAN is nowhere near the limit of flying time.
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 21:12
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Weather playing havoc tonight.
PK775 couldn't get into LBA, started to head to BHX, but BHX out of limit now so heading to MAN and EK37 holding at BHX
And now his just positioned back into LBA.
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 07:43
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EY positioned a extra crew into Man on Fri afternoon to operate the extra Dub sector. The crew then stayed on the flight and dead headed from Man to Auh.
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 10:13
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Diverts

Any problems in handling the diverts last?

The Top Swiss EZS1497 which diverted in last night from BHX was a fuel and go and wheels to wheels was about 2 hours 45 minutes. It was the only divert out of BHX, as the severe weather that went through only lasted about 30 minutes with the Emirates and Air France landing after.

easy were fantastic in the end, as the aircraft although still in BHX now they positioned up a replacement aircraft and crew to operate the outbound but unfortunately GVA was closed by then and the pax got to Lyon at 02.23 (or 03.23 local).



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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 12:08
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Good summary Mr Basil (post 1709)

I think that MAG has reason to be a bit disappointed with Davies here. Davies dismisses such ideas as differential APD, tweaks to bilaterals etc, in a fairly high-handed way. MAG should challenge Davies on these and other points.
Entirely agree - very high handed indeed and he has been got at by ministers and civil servants running true to form. There was a golden opportunity to let regional airports do their own thing to help relieve some pressure on the SE although the numbers would be small.

Hopefully they will challenge it, but there seems to be no reaction at all to the report on the press releases on theManchester Airport website; only this on the STN site which just refers to STN

Stansted: News releases

Oh dear, I'm beginning to sound like Bagso
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 21:08
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Just made my Christmas Mr Suzeman

That's you , me and Mr Brush behind the barricades !
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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 23:07
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Diversions

I hate to mention the topic again, but currently 7 diversions have just landed, a mix of wide / narrow bodies from Gatwick.
If the availability of stands / handling / staff etc is there- then they are accepted. More coming by the look of it too.

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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 23:49
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I have counted 9 diversions into MAN tonight and it is now full, can not take anymore divs. Plenty of EZYs going to LPL now

EDIT: Make that 10, EZY97WB GLA-LGW coming too
EDIT NO.2: Now 11, EZY79VU on its way

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Old 24th Dec 2013, 00:04
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Given the state of play down south, later affecting EMA, I think MAN would have been highly criticised if it hadn't played its part tonight, whatever the staffing situation. On rare occasions, you have to take a wider perspective of what's happening elsewhere and bite the bullet. After pilots have held for ages and then done a couple of go-arounds, I imagine they don't like to be messed about.

But yes, well done MAN for accepting what you did.
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