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Yes that is the problem, paying a very nominal parking fee ,as BHX are worried they might pull winter routes if they didn't agree to FR demands .. honest !
Nigel
Yes that is the problem, paying a very nominal parking fee ,as BHX are worried they might pull winter routes if they didn't agree to FR demands .. honest !
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It's a tactic employed by BHX to get a level of commitment from airlines, worked very well over the years. After 9/11 a number of BA 767s were parked up at BHX and they stuck around for..... oh.
Fortunately Roy, the commercial departments of the likes of QR, EY, EK, LX, LH, SQ, DL, AA, UA, US etc don't agree with you.
I have had some pretty naff experiences around the world, from Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Frankfurt to Munich.
Last week sat on an EMB195 Lufthansa City Line at Munich. Loaded & ready on schedule, except a 30 minute wait because no crew were available to load bags. This delay caused us to be caught up in a snow storm, resulting in another 30 minute delay for snow sweeping, followed by another 30 minute delay for de-icing.
Crap can happen anywhere, but the majority of my flights start or end at Manchester & speaking from my own experiences, by and large hassle free.
We don't know the reasons why the diversions were refused & if it is as bad as Roy portrays Manchester, why on earth would they request to come in the first place?
I have had some pretty naff experiences around the world, from Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Frankfurt to Munich.
Last week sat on an EMB195 Lufthansa City Line at Munich. Loaded & ready on schedule, except a 30 minute wait because no crew were available to load bags. This delay caused us to be caught up in a snow storm, resulting in another 30 minute delay for snow sweeping, followed by another 30 minute delay for de-icing.
Crap can happen anywhere, but the majority of my flights start or end at Manchester & speaking from my own experiences, by and large hassle free.
We don't know the reasons why the diversions were refused & if it is as bad as Roy portrays Manchester, why on earth would they request to come in the first place?
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Guys, this is not a race/competition to see who has had the worse experience at which airport. Have some humdingers myself, but the point is that MAN refused two major carriers and 77W. All I am hearing is excuse after excuse for being mediocre, nobody is saying what is the solution, or how do we become the Airport of choice for new services and Diversions. The no can do attitude seems to be rife at MAN, moral needs improving and there are many ways to do it, given the opportunity.
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Ignorance is bliss.....
Yawn...explain to the non-pilots again....
A tis old chap, the expert decision on diversion combines fuel remaining, weather at alternate (and 1/2 others), landing distance/performance on available r/w's, notams, tech status of aircraft, ground handling and expected speed of turn-round, repatriation of inbound pax from diversion to destination, engineering support at alternate, number of other diversions heading to alternates, , effect of diversion options on FTL's, and feedback even from CC on the state of play with sick pax.
We don't pick a diversion field at the end of a long-haul flight because someone on prune doesn't like Manchester. But experience of the place's awkwardness in accepting diversions comes into play when quick decisions aloft are needed. As a passenger, why don't you wind your neck in? You don't understand the issues. Stick at being SLF.
MAN is not a competent international airfield in many ways, as agreed by many who operate into many fields in the UK and overseas.I would look quickly at EGNX or EGSS coming off a long-haul, maybe EGBB. If I had a choice that is...and if not, then MAN we're coming in. (Mayday if necessary).
A tis old chap, the expert decision on diversion combines fuel remaining, weather at alternate (and 1/2 others), landing distance/performance on available r/w's, notams, tech status of aircraft, ground handling and expected speed of turn-round, repatriation of inbound pax from diversion to destination, engineering support at alternate, number of other diversions heading to alternates, , effect of diversion options on FTL's, and feedback even from CC on the state of play with sick pax.
We don't pick a diversion field at the end of a long-haul flight because someone on prune doesn't like Manchester. But experience of the place's awkwardness in accepting diversions comes into play when quick decisions aloft are needed. As a passenger, why don't you wind your neck in? You don't understand the issues. Stick at being SLF.
MAN is not a competent international airfield in many ways, as agreed by many who operate into many fields in the UK and overseas.I would look quickly at EGNX or EGSS coming off a long-haul, maybe EGBB. If I had a choice that is...and if not, then MAN we're coming in. (Mayday if necessary).
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Why are comments in having a "no can do attitude" re diversions met with such universal applause when comments in respect of peepoor performance in other areas regarded as having ones glass half full.
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I'm not sure whether MAN should be concerned or relieved that they would only be your 4th choice for a long haul diversion. Perhaps you find it surprising therefore that for CX and SQ last Wednesday afternoon MAN was their first choice. More's the pity that MAN felt they couldn't accept them, but fortunately LGW did despite their fog and holding delays.
BHX could only take 3 wide body diversions that afternoon but accepted 12 narrow body flights the previous morning including 8 Ryanair. I guess it's reassuring to pilots that some airports are responsive and accommodating when those situations arise.
I'm not sure whether MAN should be concerned or relieved that they would only be your 4th choice for a long haul diversion. Perhaps you find it surprising therefore that for CX and SQ last Wednesday afternoon MAN was their first choice. More's the pity that MAN felt they couldn't accept them, but fortunately LGW did despite their fog and holding delays.
BHX could only take 3 wide body diversions that afternoon but accepted 12 narrow body flights the previous morning including 8 Ryanair. I guess it's reassuring to pilots that some airports are responsive and accommodating when those situations arise.
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A thought! if the airport authority does not want to put aircraft on gated stands and therefore needs diversions on remote areas were the 2+ B777 stands actually available at the time of request if not where are they expected to put them?
You only have to stand on the Multi storey carpark to see that midweek in winter
there are an awful lot of aircraft on the remote stands and if Air Livery/Monarch/TCX are doing a change over for hangars, stands are used at a
rapid rate and need to be flexible ie: 2 Lufthansa A340 last week which did not
work to schedule
I hope that is clear
Chaps
You only have to stand on the Multi storey carpark to see that midweek in winter
there are an awful lot of aircraft on the remote stands and if Air Livery/Monarch/TCX are doing a change over for hangars, stands are used at a
rapid rate and need to be flexible ie: 2 Lufthansa A340 last week which did not
work to schedule
I hope that is clear
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Bagso--hear hear. Security queues going out and baggage hall coming back would be my issues in an airport I give decent marks to.
Question-- is there a diversion capacity issue generally? Suppose there is a sudden fog event at LHR and LGW at 0700 tomorrow morning. Can MAN really say --we've only got room for three wide bodies? What actually happens and who pays? Sorry for naive question.
Question-- is there a diversion capacity issue generally? Suppose there is a sudden fog event at LHR and LGW at 0700 tomorrow morning. Can MAN really say --we've only got room for three wide bodies? What actually happens and who pays? Sorry for naive question.
I think most people (except Roy) got my point, that even the super efficient Germans can't always run an Oktoberfest in their own beer tent.
As for diversions, save for emergencies, As Roy now agrees with me, pilots have little say. Its the commercial / ops departments that decide.
Indeed,it's the commercial departments that decide if an airport is fit for their needs. If the airline thinks the airport is not fit or suitable, then it has the choice not to serve it. However, it looks like Roy's airline are basing more aircraft at MAN than LGW.
It would be more productive to express your dissatisfaction through your airline management than venting out on Pprune.
As I stated before, we do not know why the diversions were refused on that day. MAN has very recently accepted wide bodied diversions, including A380s.
As for diversions, save for emergencies, As Roy now agrees with me, pilots have little say. Its the commercial / ops departments that decide.
Indeed,it's the commercial departments that decide if an airport is fit for their needs. If the airline thinks the airport is not fit or suitable, then it has the choice not to serve it. However, it looks like Roy's airline are basing more aircraft at MAN than LGW.
It would be more productive to express your dissatisfaction through your airline management than venting out on Pprune.
As I stated before, we do not know why the diversions were refused on that day. MAN has very recently accepted wide bodied diversions, including A380s.
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The Etihad website reflects the 1st June start date for the 777. Shows no availability for first class, so presume they will be using the 2 class version rather than the 3-class. I couldn't see any indication of whether it would be the older 28C/384Y or newer 40C/340Y version of 2-class.
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I couldn't see any indication of whether it would be the older 28C/384Y or newer 40C/340Y version of 2-class.
The 2 club heavies do Chicago and Bangkok mainly
The remaining frames go everywhere else such as Dublin -Its most likely one of these C28Y384 an extra 140 in steerage !
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Looking at the seat plans, rutankrd is correct and is the 28/384 2 class aircraft.
Looks like enough capacity increase to see us until mid-late 2015 anyway, unless C class suddenly has an upsurge in sales.
Looks like our A330 is starting one of the many new destinations that Etihad have announced next year (likely to be Perth as the other A330-200 route is Rome but that's not until 15th July)
Looks like enough capacity increase to see us until mid-late 2015 anyway, unless C class suddenly has an upsurge in sales.
Looks like our A330 is starting one of the many new destinations that Etihad have announced next year (likely to be Perth as the other A330-200 route is Rome but that's not until 15th July)
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I wonder if MAG are now regretting their foray in Essex ?
I would not be suprised if the Aussie investors walk away given their only interest was seeing STN develop into a major hub.
During the intitial evidence gathering Manchester benefitted from some good publicity but as soon as they bought STN interest from senior management warned dramatically , it was as if though they had been "got at", almost to the point where contributions were nonexistent.
I would not be suprised if the Aussie investors walk away given their only interest was seeing STN develop into a major hub.
During the intitial evidence gathering Manchester benefitted from some good publicity but as soon as they bought STN interest from senior management warned dramatically , it was as if though they had been "got at", almost to the point where contributions were nonexistent.
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2 new routes from Ryanair that will be uploaded soon:
Bologna 3 weekly on Tue, Thu and Sat
Zadar 2 weekly on Mon and Fri
Both from April 2014.
Also hearing rumours of Bucharest, but can only find the above 2 in GDS at the moment.
Bologna 3 weekly on Tue, Thu and Sat
Zadar 2 weekly on Mon and Fri
Both from April 2014.
Also hearing rumours of Bucharest, but can only find the above 2 in GDS at the moment.