MANCHESTER - 9

[hammerb32]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the 2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?

[doublesix]

I work at man and heard the aircraft accelerate for take off, followed by a loud bang. Following ryanair did a missed approach, tcx aircraft surrounded by fire vehicles.

[LAX_LHR]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the
2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?

23L was being used, but due to no parallel taxiway, aircraft had to backtrack on the runway and thus causes delays. Those without enough fuel (3 Ryanair B737 and 1 TCX B767) had to divert, but, most traffic got into MAN.

[Zippy Monster]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the 2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?

It's not just the backtracking the parallel runway that causes issues here. If the problem aircraft was surrounded by airport fire vehicles as indicated above, then the airport's fire cover may be degraded to an extent that other operations cannot continue until they are available again. It doesn't matter how many runways you have - if all the fire services are busy, there will be no take-offs or landings.

[LAX_LHR]

It's not just the backtracking the parallel runway that causes issues here.
If the problem aircraft was surrounded by airport fire vehicles as indicated
above, then the airport's fire cover may be degraded to an extent that other
operations cannot continue until they are available again. It doesn't matter how many runways you have - if all the fire services are busy, there will be no take-offs or landings

What you say is true, but the issue today for why the 4 aircraft diverted was purely down to landing delays due to backtracking. Therefore there must have been adequate fire cover to continue 'normal' operations (normal in the sense than no aircraft were refused due to no fire cover)

[Zippy Monster]

Fair enough. I don't operate to MAN but use it regularly as passenger - am I right in thinking runway 2 has its own fire station? If so, presumably a suitable level of cover was able to be maintained.

[LAX_LHR]

Fair enough. I don't operate to MAN but use it regularly as passenger - am I
right in thinking runway 2 has its own fire station? If so, presumably a
suitable level of cover was able to be maintained.

Yes I think that the 23L fire station is permanently manned outside A380 operating times now, as flight crews have the option to complete a visual approach to 23L if 23R is blocked, and only if more than 4km out at time of request (I think that's how I read it anyway)

[AP1995]

Where did the 3 Ryanair's & Thomas Cook divert to?

[PhilW1981]

1 of the FR went to LPL, not sure about the others but presume the FR all went their as it is a large ish base.

[VickersVicount]

Wasn't TOM 787 always planned to operate some short haul , rather than being "Pressed into action" ?

[rkenyon]

Squeaky bum time...

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...anchester.html

[TURIN]

TCX A330 had an uncontained engine failure by all accounts.

Looks well contained to me. Surge perhaps?

[LN-KGL]

A surge don't leave debris on the runway

[TURIN]

Depends on the surge. Bits can get spat out of the front/back of the engine. Still contained though.
Anyway, has it been confirmed that there was engine debris on the runway? Could have been tyre.


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[papa oscar]

Apparently it was a loaders PDA that was left in the engine cowl!! Oooppss!

[Excelsbest]

JJ Tam flight

On the departures this morning is flight JJ 8001 any 1 know what this would be doing at MAN

[TURIN]

Papa oscar, are you sure you're not getting mixed up with a recent event at LHR?


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[LAX_LHR]

The TAM flight was just a system test. The airport has a habit of using exotic airlines and routes to test its boards (QF to Sydney being their most popular)

Laurie Berryman talking about the 2nd A380 into MAN and being 'only a matter of time' in the MEN.

Also interesting is that over 1 million kg of cargo is also carried every month at MAN so surely a 2nd A380 would mean a cargo flight too, running out of other B777's in the UK to ship the cargo to.....

[papa oscar]

TURIN, No, that was the engine cowls being left loose by engineering and not spotted on the walk round.

[LAX_LHR]

Papa Oscar

There was another incident involving a BA A320 to Bucharest where the loaders PDA was to blame. Cant remember off the top of my head when this occurred though.