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Old 11th Mar 2013, 20:14
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Is it not also the case with the switch from the 747 to the 777 on the LHR/HKG route even with the addition of the 5th flight the net increase in seats is negligible.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 18:39
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pwalhx, I believe so.

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I think the fifth flight is being operated by a B77W with no F cabin and the CX257 goes up from an A343 to a B744 / B77W. However I am surprised they're not looking at MAN again, it's overdue.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 19:31
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However I am surprised they're not looking at MAN again, it's overdue
Its frustrating to know that there is obviously cargo demand (why else would you send 3-4 B747F's per week) with the 2nd largest Chinese population in Europe (allegedly), and its constantly touted that MAN-HKG is one of the largest connection routes for EK/LH/BA and AF ex-MAN, yet CX could not be less interested if they tried.
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There's plenty of cargo to go out, the problem is there is no demand HKG-MAN (europe) and for that reason the flts are cancelled.

LHR as far as I know is all 777's, or it will very soon be.

The problem is yield, not enough, to compete with the middle eastern carriers you need a cheap to operate, fuel efficient a/c, hence the 350 when it arrives, and then still no guarentee then.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 17:22
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Demand for Cargo space always drops this time of year, during CNY and the month following.
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There's plenty of cargo to go out, the problem is there is no demand HKG-MAN (europe) and for that reason the flts are cancelled.
Interesting

Before the financial crisis, the majority of freight at MAN on CX was from Asia TO Europe, so a compete reversal in 5 years or so. But the impact of Chinese New Year always depresses demand anyway
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Interesting

Before the financial crisis, the majority of freight at MAN on CX was from Asia TO Europe, so a compete reversal in 5 years or so. But the impact of Chinese New Year always depresses demand anyway
Agreed, however this all started long before CNY and is continuing long after.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 22:01
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Agreed, however this all started long before CNY and is continuing long after.

Speaking as someone working in the forwarding industry, I repeat what I have said before. Importers and Exporters are trying harder to make sure they can ship by sea as it is cheaper and with the pressure on the bottom line they need to avoid the higher costs of flying freight.

So yes this was going on before CNY and will carry on for sometime yet until the economy improves.

Freight in general is down as we are told monthly and I would be surprised if this changes in the near future. It is not solely a factor on the HKG route. However it will always drop in the couple of months after CNY as it has done historically.

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 09:21
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Airport city building work to start next month, infrastructure work on roads etc to start in April plus all the tram work looks as if the north side of airfield is going to be a giant building site for years to come
News / MIPIM 2013: Stansted deal 'just the start' says MAG THEBUSINESSDESK.COM
All very positive and looks as if the airport has a very rosy future


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Old 14th Mar 2013, 11:10
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Agreed, however this all started long before CNY and is continuing long after.

Speaking as someone working in the forwarding industry, I repeat what I have said before. Importers and Exporters are trying harder to make sure they can ship by sea as it is cheaper and with the pressure on the bottom line they need to avoid the higher costs of flying freight.
Indeed. You only have to look at the overall decline in flown freight at MAN over the last few years
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 15:58
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CX have let the Middle Eastern carriers get a foothold in & have relied on BA to ship their pax to LHR to help fill their now 5 rotations.
If freight is struggling so much, would it not make it more viable / sense to operate a a pax aircraft ? A decent freight load on a pax aircraft would negate the need for a half empty B744F & stem the loss of pax to other operators, without impacting on their LHR ops.
But like others have said, they (CX) appear to have little interest north of London & I doubt the A350 will have any impact on that thought. I assume the B744Fs only appear here because they can't get enough slots in LHR.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 16:09
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But like others have said, they (CX) appear to have little interest north of London
It depends, if Cathay serve Hong Kong direct from MAN they have a one stop service onto Oz and such, however serving LHR/HKG is restricting the attractiveness to Hong Kong itself as it's one more stop to connect on versus the Unholy Trinity of EK/QR/EY. Key point is can they make money going back into the MAN market against such a behemouth on connections or are they content to serve only Hong Kong with a BA connection? It's not about bravado or "being interested", it's about fighting a battle against an entrenched competitor with bottomless petro-pockets.

Even the mighty SQ took enough of a hit to introduce as less than useful one stop via MUC service to try and balance the books better. Would CX fare any better?

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 19:11
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One of the reasons Cathay struggle so much with freight these days is their prices are astronomical !! Air New Zealand and QF pulling has just given CX a further stranglehold on the direct market, so expect the prices to get even higher, as I mentioned last month, agent after agent are taking the decision to not use CX, something must give.
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Far East exports from Northwest England boom

"Sales to China rocketed by nine per cent to 1.6bn, making it the north west's biggest market behind the EU and US.

When taking into account exports to Greater China which includes Taiwan and Hong Kong the figure rose to more than 2bn."

How are these exports being transported?

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How are these exports being transported?
Probably clogging up the M56/M6 and roads around LHR and all routes to Dover!
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Article about Thai Airways from Yahoo News

U.K. and Ireland General Manager Khun Wit Kitchathorn for Thai Airways was talking about the A380 being used into Heathrow from later this year, and that he wants more frequency into the UK, quote:

More Frequencies

London may even support four daily frequencies if the aircraft deployed including smaller Boeing 777 planes, Kitchathorn said. A service to Manchester is another option.
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Given Thai put the A340 into LHR as they were bleeding business, and that's gone back to the B744 with the A380 to follow, it's business as usual. Cut out the middle man and just set fire to a large pile of cash. Bit of a badly run outfit alas.
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Thai Airways have been 'interested in Manchester' for as long as I can remember. They will likely be only 'interested in Manchester' for a long time yet.
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