MANCHESTER - 9

[CabinCrewe]

LOL. . . !

[LAX_LHR]

To be honest im not even responding to Skipness.

If he wants to be a grumpy old man, then thats his issue to deal with, but given he reports to the mods those who dare to disagree with him, its not even worth replying to him anyway.

Nobody else seems to be taking such an issue with my postings on the new route, so its clear its just him having a moan as usual.

[Ringwayman]

so if it's not been served form MAN before, it rules out 50 or so destinations alone that cover the period since 1986. From what's lefy....

In the USA, we're talking SFO (UA) or DTW (by DL).
For Africa, NBO (KQ) or ADD (ET)
And Asia, NRT (JL or NH)

Other possible places are all ruled out.

Forget the African routes as don't think there's quite enough demand to sustain a link. Are there any trade links between West Midlands and those countries?
Forget both USA routes, would UA really want to launch a marginal at best route to SFO and DL would surely want to restart JFK.

Therefore.... that leaves NRT. Bit of inward tourism possibility and auto industry links out of the West Midlands to Japan. Not sure if the connection from Japan will be that different from out of HKG when CX restart.

[BHX5DME]

Bit of inward tourism possibility and auto industry links out of the West Midlands to Japan

BHX has a runway that can support flights to Japan & China now so why not come straight to BHX ?

Interesting article yesterday re China quote .......

Birmingham Airport Welcomes PM's Talks With Chinese Premier Ahead of Historic Beijing-Birmingham Flights

You are here:HomeNewsBirmingham Airport Welcomes PM's Talks With Chinese Premier Ahead of Historic Beijing-Birmingham Flights

17 June 2014

Direct charter flights between Beijing and Birmingham to operate this summer with China Southern Airlines - the first airport outside London to offer direct flights to China.

Birmingham Airport’s CEO has welcomed talks with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang on trade and visa requirements as essential for bolstering UK-China relations.

Paul Kehoe, Chief Executive Officer of Birmingham Airport, said:

“As the only region in the UK to have a positive balance of trade with China we know how essential these talks are. Businesses in the Midlands are telling us they want to fly direct to China which is why we have extended our runway for longer haul destinations and, on 22 July, are delighted to be playing host to the first Beijing flights to a UK airport outside of London.”

Home Secretary Theresa May announced on Monday (16 June) that the Government will introduce easier forms for visa applicants from China and an agreement to allow travellers from China or India to come to the UK on Irish visas.

On 22 July, Birmingham Airport will play host to the first ever flights from and to China from a UK airport outside of London. The charter flights are a result of a joint initiative between Birmingham Airport, China Southern Airlines, Caissa Travel Management Co Ltd and Birmingham China specialist agency, United Travel.

The West Midlands is the only UK region to enjoy a net balance of trade surplus with China, selling £1.74 billion more last year than it imported.

The Prime Minister visited Birmingham Airport in April to announce the completion of the Airport’s new long haul runway extension, allowing direct long-haul flights to emerging economies previously out of reach, such as Brazil and China, as well as tourist hotspots like the West Coast of the USA. The runway is part of the Airport’s £200 million long-term investment programme.

Birmingham Airport has recorded the busiest May in its history, as almost 900,000 passengers passed through the terminal last month, a 5.3% increase compared to the same period last year. May’s figures also saw a major rise in the number of passengers flying on long-haul services from Birmingham, up by 14.5% compared to May last year.

[rutankrd]

Sorry BHX5DME that article is pure fluff and re-work of the previous release of a few months ago when those 3 ! Charters were announced

Nothing exciting really.

You should be concerned that to-date the only new schedules confirmed are a couple of flights to Keflavik and just how is the Biman service developing - Oh yeah it isn't !

Whilst Manchester garner Cathay , TCX schedules to Miami and JFK , something about to be announced Long haul.

Close to completing on a scheduled Air China service as an amendment to the existing bilateral.

And seriously be objective BHX- Brazil and West Coast US really ?

[All names taken]

Look everyone, LAX said Midlands, why does everyone then assume he means West Midlands? And why does everyone assume car bits?

Come on, all we have to do is wait and find out when it's announced. Have patience.

[Guest 112233]

A modest proposal

BHX5DME

As a brummie (former) your "Pprune Callsign" either puts you just over a well known hostelry; deriving its name from the origional Anglo-Saxon name for the area concerned. Guess where CATIII grew up -

[Pilots, it's where Concorde Crew's, confirmed three green's and 1240 QFE checks (the noisy power settings changes, for those flap landing settings, occurred over Oscott/Wylde Green,Sutton Coldield; BHX5D); were called as the ADF needle tuned to the GX wobbled]

or the very posh bit of Solihull, abeam a well to do bit, where my Boss came from.

Manchester is now really getting the ecomomic benefits of decisions about developement 40 years ago - Brum is comming along - We shold learn from their experence - The facilities are now in place at BHX. Man really has lead the way for the developement of Civil Avation in the the regions of the UK.

Re-posting of marketing fluff does not help.

Yours politley

CAT III

[Skipness One Echo]

but given he reports to the mods those who dare to disagree with him

I didn't realise you were a mod now as well, the only people I have ever reported I can count on one hand in ten years and were flagged for racist or homophobic abuse. I merely call you out on :
1) Pretending to be somewhat closer to the decision making process than you really are
2) Leading some good people up the garden path

Delta look to be keeping the A330-200 permanently at MAN when it gets introduced this winter, as Summer 2015 also showing the type.

You're just looking in GDS again, Delta have not done "permanently" in the history of the ATL-MAN route, from the B763, to the A310, the TriStar via the A330-300 and now the A330-200. Anyway if 33 is old God help the rest of you....

[Bagso]

MODS

Re the BHX Forum

No other forum contains so many false comparisons and references to Manchester !

"they have services to X so why can't we"

On that basis I have in the past challenged this on THEIR forum and feel, I have put across some well balanced, well constructive and highly reasoned arguments with reference to the Birmingham forum, explaining why services from their are highly niche and very limited .....

(based on an historical dependent infrastructure model and very limited tourist opportunities )

ONLY TO BE SHOT DOWN BY THE MODS

..... I therefore really fail to see why we have to have inflicted upon us, a flagrant breach of the rules with a worthless "puff piece" ABOUT a small regional City near Coventry on the Manchester forum with mocked up images ?

Had this infected "their" forum you would I'm sure be making robust comments !

Please can we have some balance ?

The two airports and Cities are incomparable !

[j636]

Bagso,

give it a break, there is no difference in both forums

A certain MAN fan boy is always drawing conclusions to BHX on this forum and only today they had to make a post to drive home MAN has a better market than BHX but yet they are not at MAN. Air India......

[LAX_LHR]

I merely call you out on :
1) Pretending to be somewhat closer to the decision making process than you really are

And you know that because? Never realised you knew so much about my personal life (or little about it in this case)

2) Leading some good people up the garden path

Doing what exactly? As said, the only person that seems to have an issue with what I have posted is you, ergo the issue lies evidently with you.

the only people I have ever reported I can count on one hand in ten years

So, the only 2 times I have been reported to the mods, just co-incidentally, were the 2 times when I was interacting with you? Hmmm.

You're just looking in GDS again, Delta have not done "permanently" in
the history of the ATL-MAN route, from the B763, to the A310, the TriStar via
the A330-300 and now the A330-200. Anyway if 33 is old God help the rest of you....

And theres the pedantic side again. You know exactly what I meant, and with that, you are now on my ignore list. As said, you obviously find 'what BA aircraft wears the crest' far more interesting, so, Ill leave you that. Please don't bother posting at me again, I will not respond.

[MANFOD]

Quote:
Bagso, give it a break, there is no difference in both forums.

I don't know what your problem is. He was merely asking the Mods to adopt the same policy to a long post about BHX on the MAN thread as he'd experienced (perhaps unfairly) on the BHX thread. Personally, I feel a reasoned comparison of the two airports for say potential Markets or catchment areas is valid on either thread but to focus on just one airport on the other's thread is not on.

Anyway, let's get back to decent discussion and rumours!

[PPRuNe Pop]

Keep to he topic.


There are NO brownie points on PPRuNe.


Keep your views about mods to yourself - - it is 'YOU' -- whoever you are who make the noises and we have said more than once that MAN is MAN and BXH is BXH both have topics on their own.


I have found in practice that closing a thread to rid us of trolls and the like usually works. Both are earmarked.


If you all try to enjoy PPRuNe we will be happy! I will probably wish I had not said that!

[kieb92]

Back to aviation news and according to Jethros all 3 TCX 767-300 to transfer permanantly to Condor so will leave the TCX fleet. Can anyone confirm or indeed whether they will be still Manchester based for 2015 operating as Condor?

According to Thomas Cook website the following flights to transfer to Condor:

1 of 2 weekly Bourgas - Friday Flight

1 of 3 weekly Heraklion - Friday Flight

Also of other things to note, Santorini increases to 2 weekly, Enfidha increases to 5 weekly and 2 flights to Orlando on Tuesday

[Bagso]

Must confess personally I am rather enjoying Man Airport Cluedo

Louisville ?

UPS ?

...does the new warehouse open in 2015 ?


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With The Chinese Premier visit over or almost over where is our route to China ?

I utterly disagree with all this on going prevarication re a new Chinese route Ex Manchester.

Quite frankly it is Bollocksology, there really is absolutely NOTHING to negotiate in my book, if this was about London it would be done
"tomorrow" !

I don't see why we have to prostitute ourselves to some faceless civil servant in Whitehall "supposedly" negotiating on behalf of UK interests.

I am interested in Manchester and the benefits to the NWest !

If Air China wish to operate to Manchester Edinburgh or for that matter even Birmingham WHAT is the problem ?


We have "UK Interests" across all the British Isles and if UK airlines will not set up these links but foreign airlines will, then so be it !

[Betablockeruk]

Louisville ?
UPS ?
...does the new warehouse open in 2015 ?

You may mean, when does the DHL logistics hub open? Probably learning from the Berlin debacle, it's hard to find a opening date. I've heard rumours of a daily flight to somewhere but that might just be spotters 2+2=5 theory.

[Bagso]

apols was replying/correcting #3190

UPS to Memphis ?

.... surely UPS is Louisville and FedEx is Memphis

The warehouse should indeed have referred to DHL whose hub is I believe Cincinnati.

Can anybody confirm ?

AND they do operate already "i think" using the 777F operation do they not ?

I would take them all

[MANFOD]

Quoting Bagso re China service:

"Quite frankly it is Bollocksology, there really is absolutely NOTHING to negotiate in my book, if this was about London it would be done "tomorrow" !

I can't help wondering if London is part of the problem. Could the Chinese, or of course BA, be insisting that any amendment to the bilateral to incorporate MAN has to include extra rights to and from LHR?

[Skipness One Echo]

I don't see why we have to prostitute ourselves to some faceless civil servant in Whitehall "supposedly" negotiating on behalf of UK interests.
I am interested in Manchester and the benefits to the NWest !
If Air China wish to operate to Manchester Edinburgh or for that matter even Birmingham WHAT is the problem ?

Well said bagso, in my experience the problem is not a London one pre se, more an Oxbridge problem. Some of the cleverest people can also be the most hopeless as they cannot see the wider picture and benefits. There are heaps of clever types running MOD Procurement and the Foreign Office and it's not often you can stand back and say "Wow that's working well." Much of the freedoms we enjoy were actually forced through at a European level, and I say that as a Eurosceptic.
Past excuses have been it would be cataclysmic for British interest if American launched MAN-ORD, Singapore were allowed MAN-SIN or even SABENA being permitted to continue MAN-NYC (nearly said JFK but this is old......). Even PIK lost KLM and SAS long haul to save BOAC who of course no longer serve long haul from Scotland, or Manchester. BA are big enough to take care of themselves on this one.
Politics runs on a five year cycle and has no institutional memory within transport I find, so there are genuinely posters on here who know more about MAN than some of our "civil service".

[pwalhx]

When the DHL logistics centre was announced I met with a senior Manager from DHL not long after and he indicated that a flight was possible, but that had not been confirmed at the time. His feeling however was it would be to Leipzig rather than across the pond.