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This is very true about the breadth of the catchment for holiday flights. Of course, it's exactly the same market forces at play in this market as at Heathrow with New York. MAN has the scale and the frequency which results in cheap fares which in turn attracts price sensitive customers that are prepared to trade convenience for cost. I'm sure the Hull based "bagso" could write passionately about the ridiculousness of having to drive 2 hours west to then fly east to Greece or Cyprus when they have a perfectly good airport in Humberside that can serve this market. Why isn't the government interfering in this appalling state of affairs. Answer: because it's market forces and in an industry with a catalogue of failures and consolidation, wafer thin margins and extreme sensitivity to geo-political events there is little the govt could do to address these issues which doesn't fall into market interference or anti-competitiveness.
I go back it my point of a few days ago which is that this debate is fuelled in the main by departure board snobbery. The ongoing belief that MAN is disadvantaged by the absence of more flights to New York or wherever and all the time ignoring the success that the same principles of market consolidation has brought. It must be obvious that an airport handling 20m passengers is punching well above its weight in attracting people from under the noses of many competing airports, but the fact seems ignored by some because the successes are to holiday destinations in the med. Don't holiday routes to the med need handling, air crew, front of house staff ? Don't they provide income streams to fund investment and pay dividends to the local authorities?
So why are we ready and willing to advocate putting all of this at risk by suggesting the government steps in to review mechanisms to manipulate the market. It's a move that might, possibly, lead to a few more flights to a few more "exotic" destinations but that would almost certainly lead to a reduction in overall throughput, a reduction in revenue and a strengthening of local airports in Yorkshire, Liverpool etc. I think most MAN fans are united in the view that while we want regional airports to succeed, we don't want the neighbours growing at the expense of MAN
I go back it my point of a few days ago which is that this debate is fuelled in the main by departure board snobbery. The ongoing belief that MAN is disadvantaged by the absence of more flights to New York or wherever and all the time ignoring the success that the same principles of market consolidation has brought. It must be obvious that an airport handling 20m passengers is punching well above its weight in attracting people from under the noses of many competing airports, but the fact seems ignored by some because the successes are to holiday destinations in the med. Don't holiday routes to the med need handling, air crew, front of house staff ? Don't they provide income streams to fund investment and pay dividends to the local authorities?
So why are we ready and willing to advocate putting all of this at risk by suggesting the government steps in to review mechanisms to manipulate the market. It's a move that might, possibly, lead to a few more flights to a few more "exotic" destinations but that would almost certainly lead to a reduction in overall throughput, a reduction in revenue and a strengthening of local airports in Yorkshire, Liverpool etc. I think most MAN fans are united in the view that while we want regional airports to succeed, we don't want the neighbours growing at the expense of MAN
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Last summer, Sunday lunchtime / early afternoon was very busy with arrivals so R2 opening at 13.00 would be very useful.
Edit: I see from Viscount's link that R2 only opens 16.00 on Sundays which is a pity.
Just had a quick look at easyjet winter schedules for 2014/15. Nothing new as far as I can see and I suspect one or two frequencies may have been trimmed, although Basel has a 5th weekly in Feb and there may be an extra Belfast a week. I gather a couple of routes are being switched from STN to LTN per another thread so I hope it's not a sign of cooling relations with MAG. Whether the winter schedule for next year requires the same number of based a/c as this winter I'll leave others cleverer than me to determine, but in the past new routes in winter led to extra based a/c the following summer. Having stuck at 8 based a/c for s2014, it would be disappointing if that remained the case for s2015, given expansion this year by RYR and Jet2.
Edit: I see from Viscount's link that R2 only opens 16.00 on Sundays which is a pity.
Just had a quick look at easyjet winter schedules for 2014/15. Nothing new as far as I can see and I suspect one or two frequencies may have been trimmed, although Basel has a 5th weekly in Feb and there may be an extra Belfast a week. I gather a couple of routes are being switched from STN to LTN per another thread so I hope it's not a sign of cooling relations with MAG. Whether the winter schedule for next year requires the same number of based a/c as this winter I'll leave others cleverer than me to determine, but in the past new routes in winter led to extra based a/c the following summer. Having stuck at 8 based a/c for s2014, it would be disappointing if that remained the case for s2015, given expansion this year by RYR and Jet2.
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To be fair NorthWest quoting Humberside is somewhat misleading, the catchment is non-existent and they barely have any flights full stop, so there is nothing to compare, in that regard potential passengers will turn to next best option be that MAN or EMA.
Would you not agree there has to be at least a baseline model to start with ?
Humberside simply does not have that. Manchester does !
MAN has flights to the USA so clearly has demand but cannot grow those markets due to what is a completely skewed set of circumstances. If they are at risk because of the volume of half empty planes at LHR well only my view but something is well amiss.
Why isn't the government interfering in this appalling state of affairs.
Why are we ready and willing to advocate putting all of this at risk by suggesting the government steps in to review mechanisms to manipulate the market.
Those are misquotes of epic proportions, BUT what about a scenario where say Emirates want to operate daily Ex MAN to the USA clearly it would be based on perceived demand, would that chime with your idea of letting "market forces" dictate route development ?
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if say a UK based airline who do not operate to that market from MAN cried foul and went running to the Government would that be construed as "Government interference" ?
Think we all know the answer to that !
With regard to departure board snobbery LHR is up there as the largest holiday airport in the UK, it might be under a veil of scheduled service but there are many millions who use LHR for long haul holidays !
Would you not agree there has to be at least a baseline model to start with ?
Humberside simply does not have that. Manchester does !
MAN has flights to the USA so clearly has demand but cannot grow those markets due to what is a completely skewed set of circumstances. If they are at risk because of the volume of half empty planes at LHR well only my view but something is well amiss.
Why isn't the government interfering in this appalling state of affairs.
Why are we ready and willing to advocate putting all of this at risk by suggesting the government steps in to review mechanisms to manipulate the market.
Those are misquotes of epic proportions, BUT what about a scenario where say Emirates want to operate daily Ex MAN to the USA clearly it would be based on perceived demand, would that chime with your idea of letting "market forces" dictate route development ?
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if say a UK based airline who do not operate to that market from MAN cried foul and went running to the Government would that be construed as "Government interference" ?
Think we all know the answer to that !
With regard to departure board snobbery LHR is up there as the largest holiday airport in the UK, it might be under a veil of scheduled service but there are many millions who use LHR for long haul holidays !
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Just noticed Ryanair are running Madrid at 5 weekly in June (ex Tue and Thu) and 6 weekly (ex Sat) in July.
I have to say, the new website and timetable function makes it much easier to work out flight frequency.
Also Rutankrd, you have a PM.
I have to say, the new website and timetable function makes it much easier to work out flight frequency.
Also Rutankrd, you have a PM.
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Excellent news for Manchester airport in finally securing there dream of a direct flight to China and well done Cathay Pacific for finally putting everyone out of their misory and announcing this new direct flight to Hong Kong.
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Times for new Cathay Pacific service. Due to start 08th December 2014
CX357 HKG-MAN 0100 0620 M,T,TH,SA
CX358 MAN-HKG 1200 0755+1 M,T,TH,SA
And also Lufthansa have upgraded DLH3434 from a CRJ900 to an A320 on certain days throughout this summer. Could be part of the growth outlined for Lufthansa from MAN this summer as previously mentioned?
CX357 HKG-MAN 0100 0620 M,T,TH,SA
CX358 MAN-HKG 1200 0755+1 M,T,TH,SA
And also Lufthansa have upgraded DLH3434 from a CRJ900 to an A320 on certain days throughout this summer. Could be part of the growth outlined for Lufthansa from MAN this summer as previously mentioned?
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Brilliant news.
This is ITV take
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/upda...ester-airport/
If we needed a Chinese route this was most definitely it !
Lets hope fares are SAME as those from LHR, + bags of time to market the service !
B777ER .....Good for cargo ?
Brilliant news.
This is ITV take
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/upda...ester-airport/
If we needed a Chinese route this was most definitely it !
Lets hope fares are SAME as those from LHR, + bags of time to market the service !
B777ER .....Good for cargo ?
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And so they're back, a poorly kept secret but notable in that it is significantly earlier than most commentators were predicting. The route couldn't wait for the perfect aircraft to come into the fleet in 2016. I wonder if this has implications for the CX freighter service ex-MAN?
Along with Saudia here's another major carrier who understands the value of MAN's enormous catchment, one which cannot be covered adequately just by services from Heathrow.
Along with Saudia here's another major carrier who understands the value of MAN's enormous catchment, one which cannot be covered adequately just by services from Heathrow.
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I guess Emirates now don't need to think about upgrading one of their 77W to A380. And roverman, catchment is one thing - if locals will/can travel is another thing. The surveys the lasts years clearly shows the majority of the growth at MAN has been among the foreign residents, not local UK residents.
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Splendid news, and it's great when a story / rumour turns out to be on the mark.
I see the flight operates Saturday, not Sunday, and is on the ground for over 5 hours. We might even have to get all our a/c parking stands back next winter.
What will be important is how much new traffic it generates for MAN compared to passengers simply switching from other carriers. 4 x weekly, while not ideal for the business person, is not bad.
It will also be interesting to see how SQ react, if at all. Might they be tempted to go non-stop but less than daily, stick with the Munich stop, or simply decide to pull the MAN sector? It would be great to see both SQ and CX on the ground together again after all this time.
Charlie Cornish is reported as saying they are still close to securing a Beijing flight as well. That would be a coup.
I see the flight operates Saturday, not Sunday, and is on the ground for over 5 hours. We might even have to get all our a/c parking stands back next winter.
What will be important is how much new traffic it generates for MAN compared to passengers simply switching from other carriers. 4 x weekly, while not ideal for the business person, is not bad.
It will also be interesting to see how SQ react, if at all. Might they be tempted to go non-stop but less than daily, stick with the Munich stop, or simply decide to pull the MAN sector? It would be great to see both SQ and CX on the ground together again after all this time.
Charlie Cornish is reported as saying they are still close to securing a Beijing flight as well. That would be a coup.
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LAX_LHR - congrats on the CX advance notification.
Spannersatcx - well done on maintaining company confidentiality. Not always an easy thing to do when news is waiting to break.
Spannersatcx - well done on maintaining company confidentiality. Not always an easy thing to do when news is waiting to break.
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It is great news that this service has finally been announced, there is one thing that worries me, however. Flights will be using T3 according to all the GDS systems and the CX website.
That terminal is just going to be heaving, and I do think that the experience could put people off. The only saving grace is the timings. Arriving at 0620 means it gets in before the 3 AA flights, and leaving at 1200 means it avoids the low cost scrums and the AA flights again.
As there is a 5h40 ground time, Im assuming the aircraft will be towed to a remote stand?
That terminal is just going to be heaving, and I do think that the experience could put people off. The only saving grace is the timings. Arriving at 0620 means it gets in before the 3 AA flights, and leaving at 1200 means it avoids the low cost scrums and the AA flights again.
As there is a 5h40 ground time, Im assuming the aircraft will be towed to a remote stand?