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Old 17th Feb 2014, 21:58
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I would expect a lot of high value pax and cargo so will be of great value

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Old 17th Feb 2014, 23:34
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I disagree. Saudi have got their "sums" wrong and will pull out again soon. Their slave trade from India, Pakistan and Egypt routes through gulf states or direct, not through Manchester.

Granted freight might be an earner, as Saudi Arabia has no manufacturing base worth its salt. Outside of Hajj time, few people fly between Riyadh/Jeddah and Manchester. Why would they?
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 06:41
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Business at BAe Warton for a start plus large ammounts of cargo, if they were worried about they wern`t going to get loads they would have put the A320
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 07:27
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Re Saudia, although Hajj is time-specific, the Umrah pilgrimage can be undertaken at any time of year. Hopefully this will give Saudia a reasonable year-round demand, if they can sort out the sales channels.

As for freight, isn't this likely to be heavily outbound, with lots of fresh air being imported to MAN?
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 07:56
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Large amounts of cargo won't fit on an A320, especially one flying all that way. Since the outound market is likely almost zero, with the high volume / low price taken by the existing ME3, it is a bit of an odd one. However it's an arm of the Medievalist state, so it's not as if they need it to make money.
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 08:20
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....All the more reason to maximise every opportunity to promote it:?
I don't necessarily disagree with any of the comments but when putting out a press release I see little point mentioning services that to a greater or lessor extent are a nailed on success when a route of this nature would need every amount of publicity it can get for the reasons mentioned.

As with the diversion policy we seem to be striving for failure rather than succes !
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 11:39
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Don't forget that Saudi also offer some fairly decent connections at good prices, and their on board service isn't too bad either (Shame the same can't be said for RUH/JED ).

There's a lot of high value cargo being shipped from BAe Warton on a weekly basis and we've had a few 744F charters for it in the past year. I'm sure the route announcement was very much a political one, though!
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 15:19
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Skippy,

Aircraft being flown by Saudi to Manchester is B77L
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 15:51
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Aircraft being flown by Saudi to Manchester is B77L
JUBILEE

You do realise that's just an internal Saudia code for their three class (Yes includes a First offering) 777's

The aircraft are nothing other than standard 777-268ER models and in the range HZ-AKA to HZ-AKK (excluding HZ-AKF) and have been deployed on European services for nearly 15 years.

Don't confuse them with the more typical use of the code for the 777LR
version !
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Old 18th Feb 2014, 18:55
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There's a lot of high value cargo being shipped from BAe Warton on a weekly basis
Ahh thanks Juilee, couple with this then, it does make some sense.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 08:30
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Rutankrd,

Thanks for the info.

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Old 19th Feb 2014, 10:31
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Austrian Airlines will run the weekly Saturday Innsbruck on behalf of Inghams this summer instead of flybe.

Will be an A319 and the inghams site should be updated soon, as it still shows as BE999/999 on both flights but GDS shows as operated by Austrian.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 11:28
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Jet2 seem to have increased the number of New York Christmas shopping charters to New York from MAN next winter. AFAIK we had 2 this winter, but there are 4 next winter.

Outbound dates of 30th Oct, 13th and 27th November and finally 11th December.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 12:28
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Manchester hub of UK tech boom

Scott Fletcher says Manchester has become the hub of the UK?s high-tech boom - Manchester Evening News

Can only help growth at Manchester....Hopefully !
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 17:32
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hmmm interesting.

Have they "tagged" Jeddah onto the Riyadh route, it looks like it !


Saudia increases belly capacity to Manchester, Los Angeles | Air Cargo World
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 19:40
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Hi Bagso,

There doesn't appear to be an obvious tag on in the timetable, however as so many RUH-JED sectors use the B777, it is possible the same aircraft that arrives from MAN could go on to RUH and vice versa.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 20:35
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This ought to be indirectly good news for the route:
"DEFENCE group BAE Systems said it has settled a pricing dispute with Saudi Arabia for Typhoon aircraft."
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 21:54
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I've just had the following quote in an internal email today. It comes as part of a 'competition watch' email, and does not credit where the source came from:

Wu Xiaoming, manager of Air China's office in Britain, says the airline is likely to launch direct flights to Manchester, which would be a return to the city after running cargo flights there previously. China to Manchester has a market of roughly 245,000 passengers per anum.
Apart from a small sub-headline, this is all it said.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 22:12
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and does not credit where the source came from:
British Airports Eye the Chinese Market
August 2012 apparently.
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Old 19th Feb 2014, 22:31
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Thanks skip,

It seems rather late to catch up with that quote, the competition email is usually quite up to date. Also the internal one made no mention of Edinburgh.

Oh well, seems we can go back to 'as you were'.
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