MANCHESTER - 9

[Suzeman]

CX to HKG?

Some chitter - chatter on other t'internet fora that we may soon hear of a CX HKG service. Started by the appearance of HKG on the Man Airport destinations map in the last couple of days......

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "Route Increases:
SAS
Oslo increases to 6 weekly
Copenhagen increases to 14 weekly

Air Transat
Toronto increases to 8 weekly
Calgary increases to 3 weekly

Rumours (some may being posted before)
Air Canada (loco) - 6 weekly YYZ
Delta - A332 to ATL
Norwegian - Helsinki 4 weekly
Air China - A330 6 weekly
Thomson - Cozumel, Mexico with 787 from Nov 13
United - 5 weekly to SFO with B763
United - IAD changes to B763
United - EWR goes 2 daily

Anyone any thaughts?"

Be good to see any or all of this!




Quote: "Would be surprised to see UA to SFO"

Agreed, but pleasantly surprised.



Quote: "Some chitter - chatter on other t'internet fora that we may soon hear of a CX HKG service. Started by the appearance of HKG on the Man Airport destinations map in the last couple of days......"

Again, it would be good to see this, it's always good to see more longhaul at the UK's major airports.

Weren't CX at MAN before?

[chaps2011]

You are quite right sir it has appeared on route map and I have also heard
a number of other things which does make it sound if it may well be happening
which would involve an A343

Chaps

[Mr A Tis]

Well LGW has lost the Hong Kong Airlines & LHR are losing the Air New Zealand HKG from March, so I'd be very surprised if anyone is coming on board to try from MAN.
I'd be very please if they did. I usually go via FRA or MUC- but this week I'm going via DOH.
I think the website maybe just targeting HKG as a destination with connections, of which there are many ; LH, LX, EK, TK, QR, CX/BA & soon VS.

[spannersatcx]

As stated many times before, CX has no plans to fly HKG-MAN before the introduction of the A350 (2015/6). The only reason they would start before that is if somebody else started to fly to HKG/China.

[One Sixty until 4.]

Spanners - please forgive my naiivety here, but if Operator Y starts a direct MAN-China and CX bring forward any plans to re-commence MAN ops....won't that risk the passenger loads for either fledgeling service as it seeks to establish its' customer base. I could envisage both airlines quickly saying isn't profitable enough and we are left with no direct services again.

I wonder how much traffic is already lost to the Dubai shuttles that means new operators have a harder battle than just influencing the BA customer base who transit via LHR?

[Ringwayman]

I think the website maybe just targeting HKG as a destination with connections, of which there are many ; LH, LX, EK, TK, QR, CX/BA & soon VS.

They are also targetting other routes, none of which appear on the website as destinations, all of which can be reached through connecting using existing routes.

There's something more to this one being listed and not the others.

[STATSMAN]

Tumbleweed running through T2 departures this afternoon Doha left at 14.05 next departure 6.40 tomorrow morning.

[roverman]

T2 gets the Blues.

T2 airline profile is heavily weighted towards morning, especially at this time of year when the Monarch programme is slimmed down. November is the quietest month too. It will get a little better from the 27th when Air Blue start the 4 x weekly non-stop A340 service, leaving at 2200 hours.

[jackieofalltrades]

Fairdealfrank

Rumours (some may being posted before)
Air Canada (loco) - 6 weekly YYZ
Delta - A332 to ATL
Norwegian - Helsinki 4 weekly
Air China - A330 6 weekly
Thomson - Cozumel, Mexico with 787 from Nov 13
United - 5 weekly to SFO with B763
United - IAD changes to B763
United - EWR goes 2 daily

I recently read on some newspaper app that Delta were looking to increase capacity on the ATL-MAN route, so to go from the 767-300 to an A330 would make sense. I imagine they may mix use of A332 and A333 on the route, but I have no definitive evidence they would other than the fact Delta do that on other routes.

I've also read about Air Canada restarting the YYZ-MAN. Although that was back in the summer and I don't recall it specifically mentioning it being their low cost subsidiary. Especially as that hasn't really taken off yet.

[vectisman]

Any news yet about another operating taking up the Manchester-Gatwick route? I do believe there is a market out there despite the trains!!
BA services to Manchester this Winter from Gatwick are actually more business friendly on key days of the weeks allowing full working days in both cities. Would be great if this lead to better yield and to BA rethinking their plan to axe the service. I suppose I am finding idea of no Gatwick Manchester service difficult to get used to!! Been using it since the BCAL days in the late 70s!! (I was merely a baby then of course!!)
V.

[airchina787]

The Air China word was just a smoke screen for the HKG flight, which seems to be a lot more solid,

All fingers are pointing hard at CX !

and you can forget NZ - period. I emailed Rob Fyfe and got this back -

''The challenge for us is the through traffic – we are at a material disadvantage flying a route where we don’t have a home market at one end of the route. The home market carriers at either end of the Hong Kong – UK market have a material advantage over Air New Zealand in terms of feed''

[Mr A Tis]

I was on that Doha flt Wednesday. On time at 1405 & was the very last T2 departure of the day. Spooky empty terminal.
i'M currently in HKG. The news here is that ANZ are increasing services to China & cutting back elsewhere.
Also in the news here is CX saying they are finding EU ops tough, low margins & rationalisation of services. Rome is the latest to have its frequency cut. So don't see a new route on the cards anywhere !

[Fairdealfrank]

route increases

Wasn't reporting the route increases, jackieofalltrades, just commenting that any or all of it would be good to see! Have no idea if its rumour or fact or a bit of both.

AFAIK, the more destinations and services operating to/from Ringway, the better, or any other of the major UK airports, BHX, GLA, etc. for that matter.

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "and you can forget NZ - period. I emailed Rob Fyfe and got this back -

''The challenge for us is the through traffic – we are at a material disadvantage flying a route where we don’t have a home market at one end of the route. The home market carriers at either end of the Hong Kong – UK market have a material advantage over Air New Zealand in terms of feed'' "

This implies three things:

(1) NZ have 5th freedom on LHR-HKG but can't compete with BA, VS, CX and QF and that their 5th freedom route LHR-LAX is doing better competing with BA, VS, and UA, and don't think they'd fare any better as the sole carrier on HKG-MAN;

(2) The demise of BD and the consequent weakening of LHR as a Star Alliance base has adversely impacted on NZ at LHR;

(3) They are not getting sufficient LHR-AKL traffic on this route, which is surprising as LHR-HKG-AKL should be less hassle than LHR-LAX-AKL because of the USA customs/border control requirements for pax in transit at LAX.

[spannersatcx]

Also in the news here is CX saying they are finding EU ops tough

Yet LHR had the highest load factor in the whole network at 91% last week! Unfortunately yields are low though.

[Skipness One Echo]

Malaysian at Manchester

Quick question chaps (and chappesses!)
When Malaysian flew to Manchester, can anyone confirm the flight numbers?
I have MH012 / but was the Eastbound 11 or 13?

Thanks!

[Curious Pax]

It was MH11.

[Skipness One Echo]

Thanks mate.

[jackieofalltrades]

Wasn't reporting the route increases, jackieofalltrades, just commenting that any or all of it would be good to see! Have no idea if its rumour or fact or a bit of both.

I get you now. Mis-read what you had written. But like I mentioned in my previous post, I have read that Delta are looking to put an A330 on the ATL-MAN route. And I agree with your sentiments, that to see those routes added (reinstated in some cases) to the MAN portfolio would be good for the airport.