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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:30
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Who will they lease the aircraft off? Is there a uk company that wet least a319?
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:36
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Let's see - UK airline that operates A319s, ideally with an existing operation at Manchester and capable of doing 3 round trips per day between Manchester and Heathrow for Sir Beardy..... I know - Easyjet !

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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:44
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Virgin starting Short Haul Ops!

BBC News - Virgin Atlantic to fly between Scotland and Heathrow

Interesting times ahead with the announcement of MAN - LHR services starting next March and talk of Scottish routes also!

December will be interesting when they announce the result of the BA/bmi slot bids that they have applied for!
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:45
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How about 'Virgin on the ridiculous...'
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:46
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Dontya just love Beardie
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 13:54
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I wish them all the best. Good to see someone give BA a run for their money.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 14:04
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Those flight times seem to work well to feed the morning US departures as well as the evening bank of flights.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 14:12
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Virgin Domestic. Call sign Vee Dee? Perhaps not eh?
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 15:20
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They must be pretty confident of getting those slots...
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 16:41
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If the new short haul services are anything like Virgin America they might just pull this off, although then again Virgin America is still losing money.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 16:57
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I dont understand why Virgin dont just sell their LHR slots to someone (other than BA), and move lock stock and barrel to become an anchor tenant at LGW.

They could have far more flexibility there, lower costs plus LGW is attracting more and more long haul traffic and Im sure would snap up the idea to turn LGW into a genuine hub airport to compete with LHR. If they really want to compete with BA then that should do the trick?!
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Jack1985
If the new short haul services are anything like Virgin America they might just pull this off, although then again Virgin America is still losing money.
They're to turn a profit by the end of this year.

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Old 21st Aug 2012, 17:04
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Well according to all the hype the flights are on sale as of today... Someone tell me where I'm going wrong as I can't find the route on the VS website?
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 17:09
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These slots for the MAN route are not the ones IAG are being forced to give up, these are being established using existing slots that were previously leased to another airline.

VS are still looking to get all the IAG slots in addition to the ones they alreasy own.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 17:11
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This from the travel agents site VSFLYINGHUB

Virgin Atlantic has just announced plans to fly domestic services from London Heathrow to Manchester Airport from March 2013.This new route is the first time we’ve flown domestically within the UK, signalling the start of a new network providing us with a regional feed for our long haul services, as well as a much needed choice for passengers flying between the two cities.

While we’re going to apply for all of the remedy slots being awarded following the IAG takeover of BMI, these new flights are being established using existing slots that were previously leased to another airline.

Manchester is a key airport for us, with over 65% of people who fly to London connecting to other flights, the majority to destinations we already serve, including Boston, Cape Town and Hong Kong.

Virgin Atlantic Chief Executive Steve Ridgway said “Flying between Heathrow and Manchester is just the start for our new short haul operation. We have the means to connect thousands of passengers to our long haul network as well as to destinations served by other carriers. Our new service will provide strong competition to omnipresent BA. It will keep fares low and give consumers a genuine choice of airline to fly to Heathrow and beyond.

Timetable

We’ll be operating three daily flights to Manchester from 31 March 2013. The flights will operate from London Heathrow Terminal 1 to Manchester Airport Terminal 3, using A319 aircraft.

VS3041*31MAR13*26OCT13*LHR*0920*MAN*1020
VS3042*31MAR13*26OCT13*MAN*1220*LHR*1330
VS3043*31MAR13*26OCT13*LHR*1610*MAN*1710
VS3044*31MAR13*26OCT13*MAN*1750*LHR*1900
VS3045*31MAR13*26OCT13*LHR*2010*MAN*2110
VS3046*31MAR13*26OCT13*MAN*0650*LHR*0800

Products and service

Watch this space regarding more details about our domestic onboard service. We’re not going to reveal the details quite yet, but you can rest assured passengers on these flights will our usual innovative approach to inflight products and service.
What we can confirm is that Upper Class passengers and Flying Club Gold members connecting to one of our long haul services will enjoy access to partner lounges in London Heathrow Terminal 1 and Manchester Airport Terminal 3. Limo services will also be available to Upper Class passengers travelling on selected fares from Manchester and connecting to one of our long haul flights at Heathrow.

How to book

Until your GDS has been updated, these flights are only available to book now by calling our Reservation Centre on 0844 209 7777.
All GDS systems will be updated and you’ll be able to book tickets from 27 August onwards.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 17:17
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Does any one think the aircraft is coming from Virgin America? Would be quite a good tie-in, but they have first class etc... They have leased aircraft before to Skybus.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 18:50
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There are some rumours on the bmi regional forum about anairbus contract. I don’t know the details and maybe barking up the wrongtree. But is there any possibility theywould be getting A319s, which could be a potential operator for this VSventure?
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 19:36
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Completely random guess here but what about he a319s being supplied and crewed by the Aer Lingus BFS base. Looking at the schedule the early MAN would probably need an overnighting crew unless the plan is to fly from City to MAN early and then to LHR. I would have thought a Belfast, LHR, MAN and back rotation would be a good 4 sector day.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 19:39
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Aer lingus is now moving to BHD and therefore now have time restraints against them at night
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 20:23
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I dont understand why Virgin dont just sell their LHR slots to someone (other than BA), and move lock stock and barrel to become an anchor tenant at LGW.
Yields collapse and LGW. Put it another way, when VS moved LGW-US round the M25 yields went up by enough % points to be more than worth the move. Profits would collapse and losses grow if they walked away from LHR. Besides they have a massive investment in their LHR base.
Manchester is a key airport for us, with over 65% of people who fly to London connecting to other flights, the majority to destinations we already serve, including Boston, Cape Town and Hong Kong.
What this does mean is that any use of B787s to do long haul from MAN looks to be dead in the water.
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