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Quite plausible...tho Titan was formed in 1988 two years before the unfortunate accident & I cannot at the moment remember if there was a different prefix on startup or perhaps they used his initials to start.
I have learnt today tho that Titan was named for its first a/c the Cessna 404 Titan, notwithstanding what I posted earlier that the globe on the side of the a/c with the old livery represented the largest moon of Saturn which it certainly did.
I believe that that then was an association gift literally from the gods as probably the Voyager spacecraft had just transmitted back great photos of Titan on it`s flyby of the moons of Saturn back in the day.
I have learnt today tho that Titan was named for its first a/c the Cessna 404 Titan, notwithstanding what I posted earlier that the globe on the side of the a/c with the old livery represented the largest moon of Saturn which it certainly did.
I believe that that then was an association gift literally from the gods as probably the Voyager spacecraft had just transmitted back great photos of Titan on it`s flyby of the moons of Saturn back in the day.
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I did a supernumary with a guy (who taught me to fly back when at SEN) back in 1989 from STN-DUS-STN in G-ZAPA, as said above, a C404.
In those days the callsign was TOT.
In those days the callsign was TOT.
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Thanks for "TOT".
ZAPA was imported directly into the UK with that personalised reg..so any Kondair association is not clear.
But it certainly appears Kondair was subsumed into Titan back in the late eighties.
ZAPA was imported directly into the UK with that personalised reg..so any Kondair association is not clear.
But it certainly appears Kondair was subsumed into Titan back in the late eighties.
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National Airways was Southend so out of my manor now...
Expressflight was here a little while back perhaps he could inform you.
I am still led to believe the majority of Kondair was absorbed into Titan.
Expressflight was here a little while back perhaps he could inform you.
I am still led to believe the majority of Kondair was absorbed into Titan.
Goodness that's going back a long time ss but Phil Jeffries ran Kondair whose fleet included Trislanders but I'm not sure about C404s. We (EXF) had 404s in the mid 1980s and I don't think Kondair did at that time as I would remember if they did I'm sure. EXF then merged with Hubbardair in 1986 and operated a quite large 404 fleet. Alan Chapman and Fred Turner ran Artac Air Chartering in those days and I think they started Titan around two(?) years later. I seem to recall that Gene Willson was perhaps instrumental in getting their AOC so maybe they took on a 404 from Hubbardair's combined fleet. I kept in touch with Alan and Fred for a few years but more socially than professionally.
There must be someone out there who has the definitive answer.
There must be someone out there who has the definitive answer.
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Thanks for your info & memory Expressflight & yes very correct of course with at least the trail of one C404 & the mention of Artac too as research on Titan`s 2nd C404 G-ZAPB shows it indeed with Hubbardair originally with G-HIGS as registration.
Ownership of it was eventually transferred to Artac with a STN address & ultimately re reg to G-ZAPB with Titan then as owner.
As you say too Gene Willson is credited as a co founder of Titan & became sole shareholder in more recent years after leading a management buy out.
Some of Kondair`s flying exploits are worthy of a book in their own right & even an action B movie..Not however for this thread.
Ownership of it was eventually transferred to Artac with a STN address & ultimately re reg to G-ZAPB with Titan then as owner.
As you say too Gene Willson is credited as a co founder of Titan & became sole shareholder in more recent years after leading a management buy out.
Some of Kondair`s flying exploits are worthy of a book in their own right & even an action B movie..Not however for this thread.
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Probably not fair to mention Artac without mentioning Allan "it is a peculiar thing what has happened" Telling who was the third member of the Artac trio. The death of Alan Chapman was extremely sad. I was at the funeral - standing room only - and at the burial following the funeral a Titan Bandeirante performed an extremely low flypast. I can't remember whether Gene was flying it or on the ground coordinating it. It all seems a very long time ago.
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Thanks for the info...Will be good to see them both working from "home" for Summer 18..
Would EXS sell up to the extra seat capacity (which my maths makes 23 as the difference between a 738 & these particular 321`s) on the services allotted to them?.
Would EXS sell up to the extra seat capacity (which my maths makes 23 as the difference between a 738 & these particular 321`s) on the services allotted to them?.
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189 vs 212 seats, i can't see that being a problem for them, They seem to do well with their 235 B752's and without positioning any into STN, seems the logical way to increase capacity on the busiest routes
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My query was not to question if the business was able as undoubtedly it is.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.
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I think the Kondair AOC was kept 'alive' after the takeover to operate the Trislanders and the C404.
As I remember, Phil left National sometime after to join Titan, from where he retired from commercial flying as a BAe 146 Captain.
I wonder if he's still around? He was a real character!
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My query was not to question if the business was able as undoubtedly it is.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.
The query was will they utilise those extra seats? I guess they will else why have the 321.
Obviously they will then be dedicated to specific services & as a worst case scenario slight problem for 23 pax on a u/s 321 as a flown in 738 replacement will leave 23 behind.
Probably me overthinking it...Anyways good news overall & almost certainly an uplift in seat capacity for the base then.
Sold as 212 seats exactly like previous years at MAN, they will operate specific routes and flights each week. List tbc.
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Great info on those late-1980s operators.
Turns-out the Kondair C404 was G-RUSH so not related to G-ZAPA, my error.
https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/Kondair+Cargo
Turns-out the Kondair C404 was G-RUSH so not related to G-ZAPA, my error.
https://www.jetphotos.com/airline/Kondair+Cargo
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G-POWS B737-400 configured with 146 seats will join the fleet in Feb.Will be operated in the charter & AOG role until Oct when it will be "converted" for cargo operation.