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Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport, coupled with PPL blocking expansion or maintenance work of Modlin unless they get full ownership of which they would almost certainly make it just run the same as Chopin this would hugely benefit legacy carriers, of which LOT is the largest one in Warsaw.
I cannot see domestic flights returning to Chopin Airport next summer unless something changes, the gap between Ryanair and PPL is far too much at the moment, there are various complaints in progress about how Ryanair felt they were treated there and PPL have said they don't want them in Chopin and they don't want them to have so many flights in Modlin.
Realistically what is needed for the EU to intervene if they have any grounds to do so or PPL to sell their shareholding in Modlin but honestly they're never going to do that because their shareholding in Modlin is essentially allowing them to control the whole flight and airline industry for the whole of Warsaw going forward.
Biggest beneficiary of the current situation is LOT, the pax certainly are not beneficiaries.
Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport, coupled with PPL blocking expansion or maintenance work of Modlin unless they get full ownership of which they would almost certainly make it just run the same as Chopin this would hugely benefit legacy carriers, of which LOT is the largest one in Warsaw.
I cannot see domestic flights returning to Chopin Airport next summer unless something changes, the gap between Ryanair and PPL is far too much at the moment, there are various complaints in progress about how Ryanair felt they were treated there and PPL have said they don't want them in Chopin and they don't want them to have so many flights in Modlin.
Realistically what is needed for the EU to intervene if they have any grounds to do so or PPL to sell their shareholding in Modlin but honestly they're never going to do that because their shareholding in Modlin is essentially allowing them to control the whole flight and airline industry for the whole of Warsaw going forward.
Biggest beneficiary of the current situation is LOT, the pax certainly are not beneficiaries.
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Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport
Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport
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It's hard to achieve but possible.
There was previous a special low cost part of Chopin Airport which was closed down when Easyjet and Ryanair especially started to get a fair share of the pie which resulted in both of EZY and FR pulling out which is the reason Modlin was built, all be it after many delays.
If it wasn't for the perseverance of the local authorities and the Military, Modlin would probably never have been built and there were many attempts to frustrate it's building and expand it and then you have had various other issues that have cropped up since it's opened.
Modlin is in desperate need of total independence from the state.
It's hard to achieve but possible.
There was previous a special low cost part of Chopin Airport which was closed down when Easyjet and Ryanair especially started to get a fair share of the pie which resulted in both of EZY and FR pulling out which is the reason Modlin was built, all be it after many delays.
If it wasn't for the perseverance of the local authorities and the Military, Modlin would probably never have been built and there were many attempts to frustrate it's building and expand it and then you have had various other issues that have cropped up since it's opened.
Modlin is in desperate need of total independence from the state.
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PANSA (Polish Air Navigation Services Agency) is working as it was still communism in Poland. They are responsible for all ILSs (not the airports), and the ATC (continuous staff shortages and stupid IT system "improvement" decisions). All airports are in beef with them as they delay ILS upgrades (while airports are building runways/terminals and other facilities to cope with the every-increasing traffic). They needed 12 months ro repair the ILS of KTW when the Air Europe 737 destroyed some lights/antennas on landing; they frantically oppose any "countryside" airports having CAT III as long as the mighty WAW does not have one; in POZ and GDN they wanted to perform ILS maintenance/upgrades in November (when it's needed the most) etc. Btw WAW have a CAT III-capable ILS for nearly a year now but it's NOTAMed CAT II as the authorities does not approve CAT III operations for being "too dangerous" (WTF??). It took until 2016 to have CAT II ILS in WRO, GDN, LUZ and KTW. POZ is still CAT I (as is KRK I believe) and the 5th largest EU-country with a population of 39 million does not have a single CAT III runway in 2017.
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Of course, there were mistakes made with Modlin, but you have to bear in mind the kind of situation that the management of that airport have had to deal with when you have Polish State Airports owning just over 30% but able to veto any resolution even if the other 70% vote for it and fully owns the shares in the other airport in the city of which the states own airline is the biggest customer.
It'll be interesting to see how Wizz get treated in coming years at WAW, bearing in mind the fact WAW recently volunteered to restrict night time flights to reduce noise, which would hit Wizz far more than anyone else, the recent discussion about capacity issues and placing restrictions on low cost carriers and the complaint that Ryanair claim to have made to the EC in relation to what they believe was unreasonable delay on their domestic flights and being allocated parking slots as far away from the terminal as possible.
There's even talk of building another airport in Warsaw right now just purely by the state although it remains to be seen if that is just some kind of trick to try and force the hands of other parties, since it would really make no financial sense to block Modlin expansion then fund a new airport from scratch or use Radom/Lodz which would be far more costly although there'd obviously be other non financial reasons for this.
As for the other airports, Yep, there's been problems there as well and honestly most of them have been held back at some point or other by PANSA and others and the whole running of aviation in Poland doesn't come across as the best and all seems rather too much geared towards WAW and the other airports are left neglected or get sidelined and are much of an afterthought.
Realistically I cannot see anything changing. I would quite like for all the airports to be totally independent of the state and airports that are close to each other to be totally independent of each other, that would benefit both Wizz and Ryanair. That's a pipe dream though, it'd stop all the things that are going on at the moment in Warsaw.
It'll be interesting to see how Wizz get treated in coming years at WAW, bearing in mind the fact WAW recently volunteered to restrict night time flights to reduce noise, which would hit Wizz far more than anyone else, the recent discussion about capacity issues and placing restrictions on low cost carriers and the complaint that Ryanair claim to have made to the EC in relation to what they believe was unreasonable delay on their domestic flights and being allocated parking slots as far away from the terminal as possible.
There's even talk of building another airport in Warsaw right now just purely by the state although it remains to be seen if that is just some kind of trick to try and force the hands of other parties, since it would really make no financial sense to block Modlin expansion then fund a new airport from scratch or use Radom/Lodz which would be far more costly although there'd obviously be other non financial reasons for this.
As for the other airports, Yep, there's been problems there as well and honestly most of them have been held back at some point or other by PANSA and others and the whole running of aviation in Poland doesn't come across as the best and all seems rather too much geared towards WAW and the other airports are left neglected or get sidelined and are much of an afterthought.
Realistically I cannot see anything changing. I would quite like for all the airports to be totally independent of the state and airports that are close to each other to be totally independent of each other, that would benefit both Wizz and Ryanair. That's a pipe dream though, it'd stop all the things that are going on at the moment in Warsaw.
What's the political opinion of the Polish Government around all of this ? Is there an urge to privatise companies which are substantially owned by the state (i.e. similiar to Thatcher in the 1980s in the UK) or does the Govt regard ownership of airports as a critical industry which is best owned by the state ?
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There is now growing conflict between the Polish State Airports and Modlin Airport and at this stage many believe that the airport is on life support and it will be a surprise if it can hold on for much longer
The Local authorities have accused the Polish State of forcing the airport into serious financial problems and loss of financial liquidity by blocking any votes on infrastructure repairs, changes or taking out additional loans.
http://www.pasazer.com/news/37468/na...,modlinem.html
The end aim of this I guess is for PPL to have full control over all airports in the Warsaw region by one way or another - the fact that Modlin is likely to close and hundreds of million zloty will most likely go down the drain to achieve this, is a complete disgrace.
The Local authorities have accused the Polish State of forcing the airport into serious financial problems and loss of financial liquidity by blocking any votes on infrastructure repairs, changes or taking out additional loans.
http://www.pasazer.com/news/37468/na...,modlinem.html
Continuation of this state of affairs, ie blocking necessary financial and investment projects in the company is a real threat to its smooth operation, including falling into serious financial problems and loss of financial liquidity, and consequently bankruptcy proceedings and recovery of funds obtained by the company EU. the Mazovia Province self-government, whose financial involvement in the launch of the Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki airport is currently around PLN 400 million (in various forms), can not accept a situation in which one of the company's shareholders leads to the wasting of several hundred million public money allocated to a public major the goal, i.e. the extension of the airport in Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki - the voivodship argues.
Until now, we have expressed the conviction that all shareholders of Mazowiecki Port Lotniczy Warszawa - Modlin Sp. z oo depends on its development and all its shareholders will support the company's rational ventures. We hereby declare that the self-government of the Mazovia Province will take all economic and legal steps to ensure the further development of the airport in Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki - the report authors announce.
At the same time, the voivodship is of the opinion that if the State Enterprise "Airports" is not interested in the further existence and development of the Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki airport, it should resell its shares to other shareholders or a third entity guaranteeing the development of the airport - we read in the statement.
Until now, we have expressed the conviction that all shareholders of Mazowiecki Port Lotniczy Warszawa - Modlin Sp. z oo depends on its development and all its shareholders will support the company's rational ventures. We hereby declare that the self-government of the Mazovia Province will take all economic and legal steps to ensure the further development of the airport in Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki - the report authors announce.
At the same time, the voivodship is of the opinion that if the State Enterprise "Airports" is not interested in the further existence and development of the Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki airport, it should resell its shares to other shareholders or a third entity guaranteeing the development of the airport - we read in the statement.
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Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport
Latest is that PPL now believe they may have a way to remove all low cost carriers from Chopin airport
Wizz CEO has hit out at this as well and claimed that it's favoritism to LOT
https://www.fly4free.pl/wywiad-jozsef-varadi-wizz-air/
But do you feel that Wizz Air is welcome at Chopin Airport at all? First, there was a surprising decision to enter the night silence, announced when you already had an approved flight schedule for the summer season. Now, loud lines such as Wizz are said to have to move.
The introduction of the quiet night was a surprise and made us have to make changes in our network of connections. As for the general situation, I will repeat that we are connected with Chopin Airport. We see, however, that the situation is changing a bit towards protectionism and supporting the national carrier. Fortunately, there are important contracts that both parties must follow. Recent decisions are of a political nature, but let us remember that our passengers who want to fly from the Chopin Airport are also voters.
In your opinion, do these moves mean support and favoring LOT?
It's probably obvious.
The introduction of the quiet night was a surprise and made us have to make changes in our network of connections. As for the general situation, I will repeat that we are connected with Chopin Airport. We see, however, that the situation is changing a bit towards protectionism and supporting the national carrier. Fortunately, there are important contracts that both parties must follow. Recent decisions are of a political nature, but let us remember that our passengers who want to fly from the Chopin Airport are also voters.
In your opinion, do these moves mean support and favoring LOT?
It's probably obvious.
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Just in case you had any doubts about what the whole saga is about
State owned LOT Polish Airlines filed today a notification to the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection regarding the abuse of a dominant position by the Modlin airport - which could potentially lead to a massive fine / costly battle for Modlin Airport,
Modlin is currently being starved of cash due to issues with state owned Polish Airports Enterprise (PPL) which fully owns Chopin Airport but as a 30% shareholder in Modlin is blocking any attempt to expand the airport, raise finance or carry out any repair works at the airport unless other shareholders sell out to it.
Many believe that the latest actions are another example of the determination of several parties to achieve their aim by any means necessary, as described on pasazer.com, The moment the complaint is filed by LOT is also not accidental. The complaint against Modlin is part of a larger political plan.
In addition as mentioned yesterday there are moves underway which according to the Wizz Air CEO are attempts to push Wizz and other low cost carriers out of Chopin Airport and to Radom Airport.
State owned LOT Polish Airlines filed today a notification to the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection regarding the abuse of a dominant position by the Modlin airport - which could potentially lead to a massive fine / costly battle for Modlin Airport,
Modlin is currently being starved of cash due to issues with state owned Polish Airports Enterprise (PPL) which fully owns Chopin Airport but as a 30% shareholder in Modlin is blocking any attempt to expand the airport, raise finance or carry out any repair works at the airport unless other shareholders sell out to it.
Many believe that the latest actions are another example of the determination of several parties to achieve their aim by any means necessary, as described on pasazer.com, The moment the complaint is filed by LOT is also not accidental. The complaint against Modlin is part of a larger political plan.
In addition as mentioned yesterday there are moves underway which according to the Wizz Air CEO are attempts to push Wizz and other low cost carriers out of Chopin Airport and to Radom Airport.
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As expected, Ryanair has now made a complaint to the European Commission's Department of Competition for violation of competition law by PPL in relation to preventing the expansion of infrastructure in Modlin Airport and anti-competitive behaviour.
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Modlin Airport has now released a statement claiming that the Polish Press Agency, 100% owned by the state - has released a statement full of erroneous data in relation to the airport finances and performance and operations and it is very unhappy with these incorrect claims that have been made to the media by the PPA.
https://www.modlinairport.pl/aktualn...modlin-sp-z-oo
https://www.modlinairport.pl/aktualn...modlin-sp-z-oo
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Polish Air Navigation Services Agency has now abruptly resigned from the construction of a new Modlin flight control tower (current, temporary, can only operate until the end of the year)
It looks almost certainly that Modlin will be dead very soon to the detriment of Poles.
It looks almost certainly that Modlin will be dead very soon to the detriment of Poles.
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Despite the news FR wants to grow further at Modlin
https://corporate.ryanair.com/inform...ina/?market=pl
https://corporate.ryanair.com/inform...ina/?market=pl
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A random thought. If both Modlin and Ryanair wants to, preverbally (stick 2 fingers up at everyone), why not let Ryanair fund a new tower in exchange for zero fees for 5/10 years?
An idea so crazy, MOL may just consider it (if the purse strings weren't so tight)
An idea so crazy, MOL may just consider it (if the purse strings weren't so tight)
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PANSA can shut down their radios, ATC equipement, ILS etc. as it all belongs to them. Modlin bought themselves an ILS a long time ago which was not approved by PANSA "as this type of ILS was not operated in the country before".
Mind you this is a country where not a single CAT III ILS is in use for 40 million residents and ~20 sizeable commercial airports. WAW has one for more than a year now which is constantly NOTAMed unavailable as it's not approved to be used as CAT III by the authorities for being "too dangerous". Anything can happen here.
Mind you this is a country where not a single CAT III ILS is in use for 40 million residents and ~20 sizeable commercial airports. WAW has one for more than a year now which is constantly NOTAMed unavailable as it's not approved to be used as CAT III by the authorities for being "too dangerous". Anything can happen here.
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As well as the recent introduction of a night flight ban, the next change will involve a total ban on refueling with passengers on-board in Warsaw Chopin Airport which will make the airport further unattractive for low cost carriers.
As per all other recent changes, the people to suffer will be the low cost carriers biting at the heals of LOT and the airline who suffers the least, again will be LOT. Maybe they will simply ban pink at the airport soon and get it over and done with.
The problem is PPL are solely looking after LOT. It's ridiculously protectionist and pretty much all the changes in Chopin in the last few years have hit LOT's biggest competitors the most and hit LOT the least - of course they will say it's a total co-incidence but we all know better than that.
There's still a stalemate at Modlin which is simply a ticking timer before it closes and coupled with PPL making life difficult for Wizz at Chopin, the end game will probably be LOTs biggest two competitors being chased out of the city since sadly the position of LOT seems to be far more important than the market as a whole.
It will be in both FR/W6 interest that Modlin survives and becomes independent of PPL, since Wizz are being chased out of Chopin right now with more and more measures being used that him them the most, and if Modlin dies then W6 will have to go to Radom which is what the end-game here for PPL is.
As per all other recent changes, the people to suffer will be the low cost carriers biting at the heals of LOT and the airline who suffers the least, again will be LOT. Maybe they will simply ban pink at the airport soon and get it over and done with.
The problem is PPL are solely looking after LOT. It's ridiculously protectionist and pretty much all the changes in Chopin in the last few years have hit LOT's biggest competitors the most and hit LOT the least - of course they will say it's a total co-incidence but we all know better than that.
There's still a stalemate at Modlin which is simply a ticking timer before it closes and coupled with PPL making life difficult for Wizz at Chopin, the end game will probably be LOTs biggest two competitors being chased out of the city since sadly the position of LOT seems to be far more important than the market as a whole.
It will be in both FR/W6 interest that Modlin survives and becomes independent of PPL, since Wizz are being chased out of Chopin right now with more and more measures being used that him them the most, and if Modlin dies then W6 will have to go to Radom which is what the end-game here for PPL is.
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https://www.aviation24.be/airports/w...tegic-project/
A new airport for Warsaw?
Unclear whether the intention is that it will replace or compliment Chopin and Modlin...?
A new airport for Warsaw?
Unclear whether the intention is that it will replace or compliment Chopin and Modlin...?
