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May pax figures down on may last year. Despite the owners stating passenger numbers would improve. This year compared to last looks set to be even worse, despite what was publicised as a busier schedule of flights.
With frequencies and routes reduced for 2014, I ask the question - when will the loses bottom out and growth begin?!
With frequencies and routes reduced for 2014, I ask the question - when will the loses bottom out and growth begin?!
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Wizzair Winter 2013 Schedule
Wizzair frequency for this winter is less than the one just gone.
More cuts!
More cuts!
There is no known decrease in the overall weekly frequency of services that you say of to which I can see? Infact on a weekly basis, (excluding any of the extra increases over the Christmas & New Year period) DSA have an extra flight a week when compared to the winter 2012/13 period. This is from the addition of an extra flight a week to KTW.
GDANSK GDN - 3x Weekly - WEDNEDSAY, FRIDAY, SUNDAY (ARR 2000 DEP 2030)
KATOWICE KTW - 3x Weekly -WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, SUNDAY (ARR 2120 DEP 2150)
POZNAN POZ - 2x Weekly - TUEDAY & SATURDAY (ARR 1720 DEP 1750)
VILNIUS VNO - 2x Weekly - FRIDAY & MONDAY (ARR 1950 DEP 2020)
WARSAW WAW - 2x Weekly - FRIDAY & MONDAY (ARR 0745 DEP 0815)
WROCLAW WRO - 2x Weekly - THURSDAY & SUNDAY (ARR 1805 DEP 1835)
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Fair enough, although one extra weekly flight in the winter months, when on some day's there is only one departure is not much to get excited about.
Something has to change and very soon.
Something has to change and very soon.
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It's time some of you took a more mature attitude and started posting as adults for a change.If you have something relevent to post about DSA which will be of interest to the viewers of this thread then post it.
Well 32 I did post something relevant about Doncaster, I'll post some more later.
Now in your new world order that you so desire I'm assuming not only do you disprove of Timmys posts but also other posts such as the idiot Leeds fanboi who posted the definitive statement of:
Less that 48 hours later the first of a sequence of AN124 flights was on the ground at Doncaster. What this sort of statement (quoted above) proves to people who either work in real life let alone with any connection to this or any other airport, who the idiots on the forums are. Another way of course is cross checking posts by different usernames across forums. I'm told by one of my contacts at DSA that looking at profile pictures on social media is quite a good way too. You can find pictures of people in bars, where frankly it looks like their hair dresser and style consultant has either been in the bar with them, or could do with a trip to Specsavers vision department 
Timmy has again been proven wrong about Wizzair by Cazza, at least Timmy is consistent at being wrong about Wizz, (as well as so many other things).
Apparently the airport has a '£0' marketing budget according to Timmy.
On the school run Timmy could get his mum to switch the wireless on to listen to between five and six different adverts running the entire summer for DSA. These are on commercial radio, (Capital). Is Timmy telling us that advertising on Capital Radio is free? Seems not, according to Capital Advertising - Capital
It would seem odd that if the budget is £0 as Timmy tells us, (presumably his Peel contact
) that the airport has got prime time slots free.
On the budget thing again, perhaps Timmy would care to comment as to why the airport would lie in a current job specification for a senior marketing position?, where it states an experience requirement of managing staff and budgets. Why would the company deliberately falsify a job advert? Is Timmy saying that DSA is breaking employment law?
If 32 and rpmac you don't like reading my posts you can do several things.
Put me on your ignore list.
Read and ignore my posts.
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Don't read this thread.
I don't care which you do. I'm more than happy to carry on pointing out Timmy and others stupidity who have clearly taken this publication a little too seriously.
N.B. For stupidity you can also include the expectation that anyone with any sense would disclose specific contents of potentially commercially sensitive emails.
I'll leave you with these facts though
1/ I have seen an email with about 40 code D/E aircraft confirmed movements planned, can't recall specifically what category aircraft.
2/ On Tuesday morning in the terminal they had a trade exhibition relating to Yorkshire. (Hosted presumably by the airport, or their marketing team ...)
Robin Hood Airport
New Sector Groups Launch | Sheffield City Region Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP)
3/ As a backdrop to that trade exhibition positioned on the northern terminal stands was an AN124, (that positioning was pre-planned).
It's time some of you took a more mature attitude and started posting as adults for a change.If you have something relevent to post about DSA which will be of interest to the viewers of this thread then post it.
Well 32 I did post something relevant about Doncaster, I'll post some more later.
Now in your new world order that you so desire I'm assuming not only do you disprove of Timmys posts but also other posts such as the idiot Leeds fanboi who posted the definitive statement of:
No Cargo movements are planned at the moment, but hopefully DSA might gain more Cargo movements when the economy picks up, but they will have stiff competition from both EMA and MAN
Timmy has again been proven wrong about Wizzair by Cazza, at least Timmy is consistent at being wrong about Wizz, (as well as so many other things).
Apparently the airport has a '£0' marketing budget according to Timmy.
On the school run Timmy could get his mum to switch the wireless on to listen to between five and six different adverts running the entire summer for DSA. These are on commercial radio, (Capital). Is Timmy telling us that advertising on Capital Radio is free? Seems not, according to Capital Advertising - Capital
It would seem odd that if the budget is £0 as Timmy tells us, (presumably his Peel contact
) that the airport has got prime time slots free. On the budget thing again, perhaps Timmy would care to comment as to why the airport would lie in a current job specification for a senior marketing position?, where it states an experience requirement of managing staff and budgets. Why would the company deliberately falsify a job advert? Is Timmy saying that DSA is breaking employment law?
If 32 and rpmac you don't like reading my posts you can do several things.
Put me on your ignore list.
Read and ignore my posts.
Report me to a moderator.
Don't read this thread.
I don't care which you do. I'm more than happy to carry on pointing out Timmy and others stupidity who have clearly taken this publication a little too seriously.
N.B. For stupidity you can also include the expectation that anyone with any sense would disclose specific contents of potentially commercially sensitive emails.
I'll leave you with these facts though
1/ I have seen an email with about 40 code D/E aircraft confirmed movements planned, can't recall specifically what category aircraft.
2/ On Tuesday morning in the terminal they had a trade exhibition relating to Yorkshire. (Hosted presumably by the airport, or their marketing team ...)
Robin Hood Airport
New Sector Groups Launch | Sheffield City Region Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP)
3/ As a backdrop to that trade exhibition positioned on the northern terminal stands was an AN124, (that positioning was pre-planned).
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It's time some of you took a more mature attitude and started posting as adults for a change.If you have something relevent to post about DSA which will be of interest to the viewers of this thread then post it.
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I wish Wizz Air didn't do so many late evening flights to Doncaster (or early morning in Warsaw's case). In fact they are often worse for this in the summer seasons than the winter. It would be nice to see some form of Wizz Air activity in daylight hours. I think the fact the airport virtually lies still from dawn to dusk also gives an even worse impression on the level of traffic available from there.
I'm not really sure on why they choose to do it year after year. I think this could be an issue for the airport in terms of attracting more passengers as they may not bother with Doncaster and choose elsewhere. For example, Ryanair fly to Poznan, Warsaw and Wroclaw from East Midlands at a sociable midday sort of times as well Vilnius from Leeds/Bradford and Krakow from various UK airports.
I think even people north of Nottingham or in South Yorkshire may prefer these options rather than leaving Doncaster so late they don't reach Poland until the middle of the night!
I'm not really sure on why they choose to do it year after year. I think this could be an issue for the airport in terms of attracting more passengers as they may not bother with Doncaster and choose elsewhere. For example, Ryanair fly to Poznan, Warsaw and Wroclaw from East Midlands at a sociable midday sort of times as well Vilnius from Leeds/Bradford and Krakow from various UK airports.
I think even people north of Nottingham or in South Yorkshire may prefer these options rather than leaving Doncaster so late they don't reach Poland until the middle of the night!
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It could be but that would seem a bad management move by Doncaster Airport to adopt that pricing structure at an airport of that size. It could potentially put off a number of airlines who would consider using Doncaster.
I think I recall hearing it's to do with the airspace being quieter at those times when other local airports are quieter, but that also seems a bit weird to me!
I think I recall hearing it's to do with the airspace being quieter at those times when other local airports are quieter, but that also seems a bit weird to me!
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Passenger numbers nosedive at Doncaster Robin Hood airport - Business - Doncaster Free Press
Damning report in the local paper, and the owners still insist its down to the economy and that the link road will save day day.
Damning report in the local paper, and the owners still insist its down to the economy and that the link road will save day day.
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I still believe it is an Airport too many !! If Leeds and Humberside Airports were to close I am sure it would prosper but not enough business for all three sites.
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I still believe if the routes are there at a decent price - they will be used.
If it was on par with routes as other local airports, at a competitive price - why would people still travel further afield?
Peel need to be honest with their intentions though - as I still firmly believe it was just land aquisition and still is.
If it was on par with routes as other local airports, at a competitive price - why would people still travel further afield?
Peel need to be honest with their intentions though - as I still firmly believe it was just land aquisition and still is.
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Logic wrong way around. Draw a map showing the time boundaries between DSA, LBA, EMA and MAN. Calculate the number of ABC1s within the DSA catchment. That is your potential core market. Proposition 1--- most of the best postcodes in W and S Yorks are not in the right place for DSA. Proposition 2 --at £1.30 a litre for petrol, the long distance market is a thing of the past. Proposition 3 the ethnic market at a place like DSA is weak. Proposition 4 --there is capacity at the competitor airports. Proposition 5 --inbound market attractiveness is weak. Result--it's a struggle to achieve lift off in terms of the range of destinations which can be offered.
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of course they are saying the link road will make the difference as they are not paying for it.
and it will be a great bonus for the place when they convert the airport to a business park
and it will be a great bonus for the place when they convert the airport to a business park
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You may not have noticed but DSA is already a business park.
Robin Hood Airport Business Park offers Industrial, Office and Distribution Units in Sheffield
along with what is left of SZD
Sheffield Business Centre - Peel Land and Property
Peel are primarily a land and property company specialising in buying failing companies with lots of land. Their first real project was the underused Manchester Ship Canal, just look at Trafford Park and all the other developments on the disused docks.
About Peel Land and Property - Portfolio of Commercial and Residential Property in the UK
Robin Hood Airport Business Park offers Industrial, Office and Distribution Units in Sheffield
along with what is left of SZD
Sheffield Business Centre - Peel Land and Property
Peel are primarily a land and property company specialising in buying failing companies with lots of land. Their first real project was the underused Manchester Ship Canal, just look at Trafford Park and all the other developments on the disused docks.
About Peel Land and Property - Portfolio of Commercial and Residential Property in the UK
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Would be interesting to see the loads for all the lost routes over the last few years. That would settle the argument whether the demand was there.
As for Peel - excellent at developing land - but are they any good at running airports? I think that answer is plain to see.
As for Peel - excellent at developing land - but are they any good at running airports? I think that answer is plain to see.
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Peel need to be honest with their intentions though - as I still firmly believe it was just land aquisition and still is.
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So it's ABC1's that fill the Jet2 flights at LBA, THOM flights at DSA and the largest route range that Wizz operate outside of LTN at DSA??? You might want to consider the spending priorities of C2DE's and re look at your map
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Thanks--thought I'd better have a look at some CAA published data. Talking in telephone numbers, 10% of business purpose traffic and a third of leisure is C2DE over a range of airports. Obviously that is significant, crazy to deny that, but I maintain my proposition that to develop markets you need a well-located core of ABC1s. Wizz could be driven differently--maybe I was wrong on the ethnic point?
As for Peel - excellent at developing land - but are they any good at running airports? I think that answer is plain to see.
Explain to us the financial reasoning behind why they would do that. What is so valuable about the land that means they would be prepared to wait it out for years before they could develop it? Why would they incur all of the costs of investing and running an airport while they were sitting on it ?
Sure Peel will want to develop the land around the airport (again look at LPL), but it's worth more with an airport than without it.
