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Old 6th Mar 2013, 00:06
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Yet more reductions then
One reduction.

Not good news, but not meltdown.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 08:09
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It may be one reduction but unfortunately these reductions keep happening.If something is not done soon to halt this trend then eventually there will be nothing left to reduce.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 09:08
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One daylight departure today !

One of the TWO flights departing Doncaster today will be in daylight. Looking at the departures board over the last few weeks it seems that most of the flights are at night, is there a case for giving up the huge volume of controlled airspace during day light hours?

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Old 6th Mar 2013, 10:41
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I fully agree with that sentiment !!! how the hell they justify keeping that amount of airspace defeats me. I have found on a busy good flying day that it is almost impossible to transit this airspace as the controllers are overloaded with traffic.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 13:53
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Not only that when you go around the edge of thir airspace with the transponder
on and monitoring their frequency they call you to ask if you intend to enter. I'm starting to wonder if they justify the aidspace by the amount of traffic they talk to.

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Old 6th Mar 2013, 21:52
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It's an utter travesty that they have such a slab of air for the pitiful amount of CAT.
Can't see it lasting. Thankfully
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 22:04
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Wouldn't disagree with that at all.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 07:53
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23 hours 30 minutes without Commercial trafic

Today 23 hours 30 minutes without Commercial trafic only TWO departures within 30 min and the rest of the day? Nothing!
discuss?
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 11:03
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discuss?
Seems like there is nothing to discuss
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 12:09
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For me it was one Airport too many ! I have always said it is far superior to either Leeds or Humberside as regards total development area and runway length but Leeds has had major success in attracting new operators ,due in my opinion, to an excellent marketing team which makes it by far the regions main airport.
The recession has hit most airports growth expectations but DSA has done worse than most. If the owners keep faith it may start to grow again when the overall market picks up but as Humberside is seeing new operators this summer it makes you wonder if this is another blow to DSA.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 12:20
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DSA would of had a new airline this summer but Lba poached the airline.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 12:28
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Naughty Leeds, naughty Leeds.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Never did though, did it, at DSA.

Every rival around them picking up new business and operators, yet DSA isn't even treading water anymore.

Time for an airspace review, give it back to the leisure flyers and gliders.

Liverpool in decline, Durham on life support, DSA withering on the vine; not looking good.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:00
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Thats Peel for you in the airport industry.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:00
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You are right A300BOY the airport is situated in a superb position in regard to a lot of other airports.The scope for development is excellent and so is its runway.When DSA opened I believe it was expected that lots of airlines would be attracted because of the runway length.The mgmt running the airport believed it.Long haul destinations would be flown within a few years.Remember the forecasts in the number of passengers that would be lured away from MAN,EMA,LBA to fly from DSA.Their Original Business Plan looked like it couldn't fail.Unfortunately the future has turned out different to what was believed would happen.The question to be answered is why with all its potential is DSA in the position it finds its self now? It will be a clever person who can supply the answer.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:06
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Let's face it the days (and novelty) of flying off to discover the delights of a European city or have a weekend beach break for 20 with a loco are all but over. It was on this type of (IMO unsustainable in the long term) operations that airports like DSA expanded. The recession and hikes in APD have all but killed off this type of discretionary 'travel just because we can' travel. As a result, airlines are consolidating their ops and sadly airports like DSA, MME, BOH, NWI, PIK and to a lesser extent LPL are now feeling the pinch because of this. Not saying it's right but that is the way it is right now.

I am assuming the airline mentioned that LBA allegedly 'poached' was ZB?

Perhaps if DSA had 'poached' KL from HUY and persuaded BE to stay and develop their network from DSA things wouldn't be looking as bad.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:17
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Time for an airspace review, give it back to the leisure flyers and gliders.
I fully agree. How does one go about campaigning for the removal of this huge volume of wasted airspace?

Even Humberside and Teeside are busier.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:44
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I think Prestwick was the last airport to have its controlled airspace withdrawn - in 1993. In 1992 - the year the decision was taken - it had 2197 commercial air transport movements. So if that was the sole criterion (which it isn't), DSA has some way to go, being on about 6000 a year.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 13:59
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To be fair Dsa poached Thomsons from Leeds at the very beginning having assumed all the Leeds customers would be happy to travel down to Dsa instead. They seem to have got it wrong and have now begun a return to their original home having only added to the growth of Jet 2 at Leeds over the last ten years. They picked up many of the Leeds area Thomson customers and have continued to be very aggressive at many other northern airports but not, for whatever reason, at Humberside or Dsa. Maybe they do not want to dilute the passenger levels at Leeds until the market shows growth again.
I think Humberside will plod along ok with its helicopter operations together with summer charters and Klm flights. Wizz Air seem to be populating the Boston area and Dsa is very well placed for that so it seems they will be happy to stay with you.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 14:17
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In terms of CAT movements Doncaster has already dropped to 4348 just ahead of Teeside @ 4188 and well behind Humberside @ 12,000
2190 annual movents = 3 in and 3 out per day which is what Doncaster has been doing on a good day reciently.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 15:08
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bb: comparing two different stats there. The ones I was using are total CAT movements, including air taxi. The ones you quote are non-air taxi. Air taxi includes charters by aircraft as big as Do328 and Saab 340 so perhaps a bit of a misnomer.

As an update to the last, Southend lost their CAS in 1992 when they were running at 4589 total CAT movements, so not that far off DSA's current levels.

DAP would have to respond if there were submissions from e.g. BGA, AOPA, LAA etc to withdraw DSA's CAS. But I suspect their attitude to withdrawing CAS from an airport with pax schedules will be rather different to what it was in the 90s when we were all so much more risk-tolerant.

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