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The Brits going to Norway part was with Ryanair cheap tickets I guess. These days it's only four weekly Widerĝe visits from SVG. I have only had time to look in to the passengers numbers for 2006, 2007, 2010 and 2011 between NCL and Norway:
2006: around 94 thousand scheduled passengers
2007: around 44 thousand (Ryanair closed down TRF-NCL in March)
2010: around 39 thousand
2011: around 48 thousand (Ryanair closed down RYG-NCL at year end)
I flew NCL-RYG in early September 2010 and the number of passengers on that flight was well below 100 - not at all typical for FR.
2006: around 94 thousand scheduled passengers
2007: around 44 thousand (Ryanair closed down TRF-NCL in March)
2010: around 39 thousand
2011: around 48 thousand (Ryanair closed down RYG-NCL at year end)
I flew NCL-RYG in early September 2010 and the number of passengers on that flight was well below 100 - not at all typical for FR.
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Thank you, so from that we can reasonably assume that FR carried 8,000 passengers then? That's quite shoddy to be honest :/ I do think the fact neither TRF or RYG are anywhere what can reasonably be classed as Oslo may have something to do with O&D traffic. Reminds me of a funny story my uncle told me about an experience they had with some pessengers on a flight to Girona? Would you care to hear it?
Of course they come... Who doesn't want to visit Middleton Saint George? All they need is a few rich Arabs and a couple of hundred A380's/777's, jobs a good'un
Of course they come... Who doesn't want to visit Middleton Saint George? All they need is a few rich Arabs and a couple of hundred A380's/777's, jobs a good'un
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Haha, thanks very much Cyrano.
24,000? The rest must have had quite a drop then, and I suppose 24,000 isn't too bad really, load factor of about 50% based on 3 weekly flights (I think it was 3 weekly wasn't it?). Very low for an ULCC but probably still somewhat profitable, and if it was they could at least have left it a 2nd year, it would probably only have gone up.
24,000? The rest must have had quite a drop then, and I suppose 24,000 isn't too bad really, load factor of about 50% based on 3 weekly flights (I think it was 3 weekly wasn't it?). Very low for an ULCC but probably still somewhat profitable, and if it was they could at least have left it a 2nd year, it would probably only have gone up.
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Re the comment "As far as I know, 60,000 people haven't stopped going to Norway" I seem to recall that a big segment of the market was Norwegians coming here for short leisure breaks i.e. (compared to Norway) cheap and varied shopping (e.g. Metro Centre), cheap eating and drinking, etc.
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Also Eastern do NCL-SVG as well, but that has just stopped for the winter season at present
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I think it would need a Norwegian based airline to attract them to NCL....SAS/Norwegian/Wideroe. Newcastle also had ferry services to Norway so there must have been a huge market.
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"Build it and they will come"
- Dubai
- Dubai
It will be the same with the estuary.
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Fairdealfrank, yeah I know but I quoted it as Dubai because it's one of the success stories and it's sort of it's unofficial slogan.
I would REEEALLY like to see NAX but they way they see it is "we serve Edinburgh which covers a catchment down to NCL"
I would REEEALLY like to see NAX but they way they see it is "we serve Edinburgh which covers a catchment down to NCL"
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When I started as an airline passenger there seemed to be more examples of flights picking up passengers at a couple of airports before continuing with the "trunk" haul. Apologies for terminology.
Thus I can recall lurching between Bristol and Cardiff in a Capital Shorts 360 before proceeding north. Similarly an Air UK F27 between Glasgow and Edinburgh before proceeding south. I assumed the extra cost of serving the second airport (and annoyance to passengers joining at the first) was justified by the extra income from the second market.
It seems to me that BM want some city pairs that are too thin to be attractive to the likes of Ryan/Easy etc but might have sufficient business traffic of the type that would be prepared to pay fares that give a good yield for a direct service. Putting a couple of these markets on one flight, as in the examples above might then give a viable load.
A service was tried between East Midlands and Frankfurt. I wondered why they didn't start/extend some of the flights from/to Leeds. Similarly if serving Bristol could they not have extended to Cardiff or called in at Southampton?
If they are going to try to restart Newcastle-Brussels why not pick up at Leeds. I accept there is a cost to this and a disincentive for Newcastle passengers, but if you can pick up another 15-20 passengers, many on public sector inc. EU expenses.....
Thus I can recall lurching between Bristol and Cardiff in a Capital Shorts 360 before proceeding north. Similarly an Air UK F27 between Glasgow and Edinburgh before proceeding south. I assumed the extra cost of serving the second airport (and annoyance to passengers joining at the first) was justified by the extra income from the second market.
It seems to me that BM want some city pairs that are too thin to be attractive to the likes of Ryan/Easy etc but might have sufficient business traffic of the type that would be prepared to pay fares that give a good yield for a direct service. Putting a couple of these markets on one flight, as in the examples above might then give a viable load.
A service was tried between East Midlands and Frankfurt. I wondered why they didn't start/extend some of the flights from/to Leeds. Similarly if serving Bristol could they not have extended to Cardiff or called in at Southampton?
If they are going to try to restart Newcastle-Brussels why not pick up at Leeds. I accept there is a cost to this and a disincentive for Newcastle passengers, but if you can pick up another 15-20 passengers, many on public sector inc. EU expenses.....
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CAs get the option to relocate as well, but would you with a salary of £11K-£15K?
Also, FD have a "forced base move" clause in their contracts.
The closures of these bases will -IMO- drive a big wedge between a lot of FD and the management and probably initiate a mass exodus from BMR. Question is: where to?
Also, FD have a "forced base move" clause in their contracts.
The closures of these bases will -IMO- drive a big wedge between a lot of FD and the management and probably initiate a mass exodus from BMR. Question is: where to?
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I guess Jet2 or BACF are the only two options at the moment.
I see the management are as endearing as ever. But if the clauses are there they can be used I guess.
Good luck to everyone, sadly airline bad news always seems to come at winter.
Would have thought there would be a pilot surplus now with the cancellation of 5(?) routes.
I see the management are as endearing as ever. But if the clauses are there they can be used I guess.
Good luck to everyone, sadly airline bad news always seems to come at winter.
Would have thought there would be a pilot surplus now with the cancellation of 5(?) routes.
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BM have released for sale the flights on there new Norwegian domestic routes. BM plan to operate a 5 x weekly SVG-EVE-TOS-EVE-SVG service from the 23JAN14.
Gothenburg
Will operate 6 x weekly, Aircraft will operate SVG-GOT-BHX-GOT-SVG
BM1937 SVG 14:50 GOT 15:55 ER4 x6
BM1938 GOT 21:20 SVG 22:30 ER4 x6
Kristiansund
Will operate 5 x weekly, Flights operated by a ABZ based aircraft. Aircraft operates ABZ-KSU-SVG-KSU-ABZ
BM1937 SVG 15:10 KSU 16:20 ER4 x67
BM1938 KSU 13:15 SVG 14:20 ER4 x67
Stavanger to Harstad-Narvik and Tromso
BM1901 06:40 SVG 08:35 EVE 08:55 TOS 09:25 ER4 123
BM1905 13:30 SVG 15:25 EVE 15:45 TOS 16:15 ER4 45
BM1902 10:00 TOS 10:30 EVE 10:55 SVG 12:50 ER4 123
BM1906 16:45 TOS 17:15 EVE 17:40 SVG 19:35 ER4 45
BM1905 13:30 SVG 15:25 EVE 15:45 TOS 16:15 ER4 45
BM1902 10:00 TOS 10:30 EVE 10:55 SVG 12:50 ER4 123
BM1906 16:45 TOS 17:15 EVE 17:40 SVG 19:35 ER4 45
BM1901 06:40 SVG 08:35 EVE 08:55 TOS 09:30 ER4 x67
BM1902 10:00 TOS 10:35 EVE 10:55 SVG 13:00 ER4 x67
Flights across the UK and Europe with bmi regional - bmi regional to launch Gothenburg and Kristiansund services from Stavanger
BM will also make schedule you changes to 3 other routes from 23JAN14
Aberdeen to Kristiansund
BM1305 ABZ 10:15 KSU 12:50 ER4 x67 From 23JAN14
BM1305 ABZ 14:00 KSU 16:35 ER4 x67 Until 22JAN14
BM1306 KSU 16:50 ABZ 17:35 ER4 x67 From 23JAN14
BM1306 KSU 17:05 ABZ 17:35 ER4 x67 Until 22JAN14
Aberdeen to Manchester
BM1366 ABZ 06:40 MAN 07:55 ER4 x67 From 23JAN14
BM1366 ABZ 07:00 MAN 08:20 ER4 x67 Until 22JAN14
BM1374 ABZ 15:05 MAN 16:20 EQV x67
BM1378 ABZ 17:00 MAN 18:05 ER4 7
BM1378 ABZ 18:30 MAN 19:45 EQV x67
BM1369 MAN 08:25 ABZ 09:40 ER4 x67 From 23JAN14
BM1369 MAN 08:50 ABZ 10:05 ER4 x67 Until 22JAN14
BM1377 MAN 16:50 ABZ 18:00 EQV x67
BM1381 MAN 18:35 ABZ 19:40 ER4 7
BM1381 MAN 20:20 ABZ 21:25 EQV x67
Birmingham to Gothenburg
BM1441 BHX 16:30 GOT 19:35 ER4 x6 Until 22JAN14
BM1441 BHX 17:55 GOT 20:55 ER4 x6 From 23JAN14
BM1442 GOT 16:20 BHX 17:25 ER4 x6 From 23JAN14
BM1442 GOT 20:05 BHX 21:15 ER4 x6 Until 22JAN14
