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Old 24th Dec 2012, 11:19
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CAA November stats

I know this is only a snapshot and some of their routes are shared with other airlines and thus have been excluded from this post but these seem to make grim reading. The major unknown of course is that the fares paid and in some instances I was not sure which routes were operated by the 135 or 145.

I have had to use libhomeradar for the number rotations and the BMIR timetable and these might be slightly out. I have included the 2011 figures for November in brackets and also stated in a few instances the October 2012 figures to show the difference without Star Alliance help.

EMA - FRA 1820 (2854) pax - 13 pax per flight 27% load factor (Emrbaer 145). October 2012 2673 pax
EMA - BRU 1677 (1735) pax - 17 pax per flight 36% load factor (Emrbaer 145). October 2012 2103 pax

MAN-Antwerp 1056 (nil) - 10 pax per flight 27% load factor (E135)
MAN-Lyon 863 (829) - 20 pax per flight 53% load factor (E135). October 2012 851

Leeds-BRU 1559 (2027) - 17 pax per flight 45% load factor. October 2012 2028 (Emrbaer 135)

EDI-Zurich 375 (515) - 14 per flight 29% load factor - October 906 (Emrbaer 145)

GLA-Copenhagen 863 (1275) - 20 pax per flight approx - 40% (Emrbaer 145). October 2012 1434
ABZ - Groningen 292 (463) - 11 per flight or 30% load factor if a 135

ABZ - Esjberg 823 (970) - 16 per flight or 43% load factor if a 135

Note: Only the passenger figures are from the CAA the rest are my estimates.



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Old 24th Dec 2012, 11:54
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Not sure what you are displaying here.
In most cases bmir are carrying more passengers post star alliance???

Take lba to bru the figure 2028 for oct 2012, is that the total number of passengers carried one way or return?

Bmir will have flown 50 flights to bru from lba using a 37 seat aircraft. So 2028/50 gives 40pax. If these are return pax numbers then 2028/100 sectors = 20 per flight giving a load factor of 54%.

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Old 24th Dec 2012, 12:02
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I second Rutankards note above.

BMIr core "route structure" is based around the corporate route network.

No one is saying that BMIr is going to become the net Ryanair or Easyjet (and i wouldnt want that) however BMIr offers a unique product to specific markets.

I do believe that BMIr has a strong future.
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well as it has been said before...

lies, damn lies and then statistics!
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 12:10
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These are generally appalling load factors, would love to be optimistic .

However if you can't half fill an EMB 135 !!!

Their only hope will be to cut half the fleet and just serve small business routes from the likes of Manchester.

The trouble though... who would buy 135/145s nobody wants them any more just too small to be profitable at current oil prices.

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Old 24th Dec 2012, 13:13
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Thanks to OltonPete for the figures - it's quite notable that BM's pax figures have fallen off quite significantly since they became fully independent at the end of Oct. I've heard of people having difficulty booking BM flights recently through some engines/corporate agents, but it looks like the biggest falls are on routes that were previously *A codeshares so it seems likely the loss of the codeshares is the main problem.

I know the new owners have talked about new codeshares, but they've not been very specific about who with. Whilst they might sign up with individual *A airlines (perhaps SK?), I'm not so sure about LH. Similarly, SN have just launched EDI-BRU daily (rising to 2xdaily from spring) in direct competition with BM - Why would they do that if they were negociating a codeshare with BM?

Whatever is planned, it would seem that BM need to get a move on with advertising, improving sales and in particular ressurecting/replacing the codeshares.

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What are the views on here about prospects for Waterford airport with bmi regional.?

A 135, assuming available would seem a good size for a Waterford Luton route, granted they dont serve Luton, but leads to the next point, assuming alignment with an alliance or network carrier would Luton represent opportunities for such an operation that currently is lacking.?
I accept the biggest challenge is marketing and distribution..

Getting back to Waterford, I believe the airport has potential, it had long been mooted as one of RE's strongest routes until the main route was shifted to SEN and scaled LTN back, where the demand was and an established market. REs committment to EI and stronger returns ex Dublin have created problems for WAT, while it may appear to the outside world that WAT lacks potential.?

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Old 26th Dec 2012, 09:23
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Waterford's 1433m runway might be a problem ??

Aren't the 135/145s more suited to high yield business routes ?
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bmi regional in 2013 is introducing new services from Bristol to Germany.

Bristol Hamburg (From 11Feb13)
BM1831 BRS0700 0935HAM ER3 1
BM1837 BRS1650 1925HAM ER3 x167
BM1832 HAM1005 1045BRS ER3 1
BM1838 HAM1955 2035BRS ER3 x167

(From 02APR13)
BM1837 BRS1650 1925HAM ER3 x6
BM1838 HAM1955 2035BRS ER3 x6

Bristol Frankfurt (From 07Apr13)
BM1825 BRS1205 1435FRA ER3 7
BM1825 BRS1205 1435FRA ER4 x67
BM1826 FRA1520 1600BRS ER3 7
BM1826 FRA1520 1600BRS ER4 x67
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Any truth that bmir are looking at the Bae work at Warton - currently run in house by corporate travels 146's? I think they do Munich and Farnborough routes.
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Anyone know reason why bmi regional have 2 Embrear 145's based at Leeds/Bradford (G-RJXD & G-RJXF)? Just asking seen as they only require a single aircraft to operate the Brussels route.
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Anyone know reason why bmi regional have 2 Embrear 145's based at Leeds/Bradford (G-RJXD & G-RJXF)? Just asking seen as they only require a single aircraft to operate the Brussels route.
G-RJXD - From what I can gather the aircraft has not operated since the 22nd. Possibly being parked there as a stand by aircraft or is due to operate a charter after the xmas period

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bmi regional in 2013 is introducing new services from Bristol to Germany.

(From 02APR13)
BM1837 BRS1650 1925HAM ER3 x6
BM1838 HAM1955 2035BRS ER3 x6
According to the press release flights are meant to be operating 12 x weekly from 9th April

bmi regional to expand its network

Flights go on sale on Thursday so we should find out what time the other 6 x weekly flights will operate, I am guessing these will be early am departures operating every day but Sunday.

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 04:06
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Flights now on sale for new BRS routes and HAM showing 11 x weekly as announced

BM1831 BRS 07:00 HAM 09:35 ER3 x67
BM1837 BRS 16:50 HAM 19:25 ER3 x6

BM1831 HAM 10:05 BRS 10:45 ER3 x67
BM1831 HAM 19:55 BRS 20:35 ER3 x7

Further changes to the schedule shortly especially when it comes to aircraft deployment. The current schedule for S13 had BM operating 6 ER3's. However there are only 4 in the fleet. They are showing as operating:

ABZ - 1 x Operating the 2 x daily NWI, daily ESJ and 3 x weekly GRQ flights
BRS - 1 x Operating the 2 x daily HAM flights
EMA - 1 x Operating the 2 x daily BRU rotation
LBA - 1 x Operating the 2 x daily BRU rotation
MAN - 2 x Operating All ANR and LYS flights as well as 3 round trips to EDI

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 12:44
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BMIr Headcount

Anyone know the current headcount of aircrew at BMIr?

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5 aircraft at the hangar medivac in Aberdeen, why?
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Very quiet week this week many regional business routes don`t operate or only limited service

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So basically its week 1 syndrome?

I suppose as the customer base is mainly business then this week would be slow.

Hopefully things will pick up significantly soon. Especially with Hamburg and Frankfurt starting soon.
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Think they still need the codeshare and interlining to make it work.



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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 19:47
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Completely agree that they need to sort out the code share and interlining.

Also flew from Aberdeen a few times lately and both times I have had a hand written boarding pass! Hopefully they'll soon get Internet check in back.
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I suspect the change of reservations system from Amadeus to Radixx has something to do with the limited functionality on offer. Radixx a more basic and cost effctive solution.
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