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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 08:27
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
In reply to :
"Hi, we'd like to establish a codeshare to feed your hubs please."
What if the answer is "We're happy to do that ourselves now you're no longer in STAR." Is that not much more likely, particularly in the medium term.
Why have a third party non alliance member do that?
I agree; the only way it makes sense is if the third-party non-alliance-member will do it on more favourable commercial terms and/or with more appropriately-sized aircraft (so the big carrier doesn't have to carry fixed costs and commercial risk, or fly aircraft that are larger than ideal for the route).
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 19:46
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Don't panic until the management start to leave.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 05:17
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@Van G
Random statement or has something allayed your fears??
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 06:19
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I agree; the only way it makes sense is if the third-party non-alliance-member will do it on more favourable commercial terms and/or with more appropriately-sized aircraft (so the big carrier doesn't have to carry fixed costs and commercial risk, or fly aircraft that are larger than ideal for the route).
Absolutely right, and in the current climate, even the big three legacy carriers in Europe cannot ignore the this. There is precident for it too after all, it looks like when BMI Regional come off NCL/BRSBRU, despite having Star Alliance equipment of the right size within the likes of Eurowings and Tyrolean etc, these routes will be operated by Flybe.

I guess the Q400 gives increased capacity at similar or lower operating costs to the E145 and made Flybe the better choice under the circumstances.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 09:30
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Quite the opposite unfortunately. Although I'm just as mis/under-informed as the rest of us.

Was just being a bit sarcastic following a recent memo.

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Old 5th Jul 2012, 10:18
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Yeah, thought I was being optimistic that someone may actually know something!!
Don't blame you for the sarcasm :-)
Ho hum, back to dangling from a thread.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 11:04
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As far as i understand the current priority is on replacing / novating back office functionality (eg website, ticketing, airport servicing agreements, catering etc) so that the airline can continue to function once BA removes its support for those elements.

Once that is all in place operational aspects eg new routes, crewing etc can be looked at.

If i were a betting man i would think that the back office will have to be sorted by end of Aug.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 12:13
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What I have been hearing is that alot of systems are going to be switched off at the end of July by BA. One of my contacts in Hastings House seems to think we don't have any IT people who understand the systems. I thought they had someone lined up for that job.
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Old 6th Jul 2012, 20:52
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Rumour rumour on the wall...

No wonder they call this a rumour network.
I haven't the faintest idea what may or may not happen with bmir following the takeover but for what my tuppence is worth, new owners (who actually created the business in the first place) would not have got re-involved if they couldn't see £££ at the end of it. It's a standard in business. Create a company, sell it ... buy it back, redevelop it (ie invest) and I'd wager (conjecture here) they'll sell it on again in due course. Yes I gather there's a dark hole concerning feedback from management but maybe they're getting the future worked out properly first, then an announcement can be made. At least you don't work for Bob Diamond.

Doubtless I'll get some stick/uselss feedback/abuse etc but I'm not concerned. Andy Murray's made the Wimbledon final so that's reason to be cheerful.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 13:08
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Nor me. Why some of my colleagues want to knock the new guys paying our rents/mortgages I don't understand. Could have ended up like our baby cousins - unfortunately there don't seem to be any white knights saving them!
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Old 8th Jul 2012, 10:10
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would not have got re-involved if they couldn't see £££ at the end of it
I agree entirely. It's just a case of when will be the optimum time to come to that end and maximise the money they walk away with. Later rather than sooner I hope.

I understand they are busy getting things organised but didn't this process begin around October last year and still no clear plan of post October 27th this year. I would have more optimism and additional patience if I were not at a base facing imminent closure however the crews at Newcastle/Bristol/Heathrow (Chester?) haven't even been told where they will be based for the winter. I don't see this as commercially sensitive information either to be honest. The routes absolutely I understand keeping quiet although at some point tickets will need to be sold and routes advertised, but information about where we will be living in a few months time should be a little bit more forthcoming. Communication and the amount of information released has not been good enough. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

pilots aren't the most discrete
Agreed, they are not. Though we have nothing to be discrete about at the moment because we have been told nothing of any value. I don't think anything posted thus far has been very damaging to be fair, I think it's more a frustration of knowing nothing at all rather than revealing damaging company secrets. Some people have their heads in the sand, some are doomsday merchants, I'm somewhere in the middle but thats based on no real information of course just a gut instinct having been in a similar situation before. For me personally being a member of a certain association didn't help at all when my previous airline went under so for me personally its not an association I want to spend my money on.

white knights
I think the jury is still out on whether these guys are our white knights. I'm not knocking them at all. I'm saying we just don't know. And we should know a little more than we do now. The longer time goes on the more I start to think they don't know either.

I genuinely hope for the very best for the sake of all my fantastic colleagues. I don't believe asking for a little clue where I will be based come winter is too much to ask or going to cause the company to spiral out of control due to it being commercially sensitive information. Either they're not telling us or they don't know. I think they should.

Prepared for the incoming...

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Old 8th Jul 2012, 22:46
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Aer Lingus to bid for UK slots at Heathrow - Telegraph

Borrowed from the Aberdeen thread.
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Old 16th Jul 2012, 10:11
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Things have gone very quiet around here???? No one talking any more?
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 12:57
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What news from the front?

Any news coming out of BMIr HQ?

Happy to PM if its too hot for the open forum.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 13:09
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Management wont return phone calls.

They must be busy.
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 09:56
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A 135 has been sold to Eastern from what I hear.

Multiple resignations including PA. I'm not feeling the love today.
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 10:29
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I see talk on the EDI thread that SN are planning on starting EDI-BRU on their own metal too. How long before SK announce their own services on GLA/EDI-CPH?

What on Earth is going on?
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 11:21
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The 135 that has been sold. Is it an actual sale or a lease to Eastern?
Anything to confirm this?



Not anything to do with this (I know article is discussing a 145 by the way)
Untitled Document

ERJ-145 Placed With Eastern Airways

Airstream International has placed an ERJ-145 with UK regional carrier, Eastern Airways. The aircraft, serial number 300, previously operated by BMI Regional, will join Easternís fleet of Embraer regional jet aircraft operating in the UK and Europe.

For more information, please contact
Peter Crutchfield, Managing Director

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Old 26th Jul 2012, 11:22
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Here's the press release from SN: Brussels Airlines - corp - Brussels Airlines Press Releases

Seems like Skipness One Echo got it right when he predicted the reaction to any codeshare proposal from regional to its ex STAR partners, would be "We're happy to do that ourselves now you're no longer in STAR."
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 11:27
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Thats another route blown to regional then. They cant compete at 99 Euros return.

If they dont have a serious and well thought out plan its not looking great.
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