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Old 2nd Jan 2014, 19:39
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interesting the recurring views on small regional airports from those living near "heathrow". Mmm.
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well at least that's some sense on the drop-off charge.........

nut I can't see how Newquay can survive with such a low home population - maybe 60,000 people before its faster & more convenient to go by train or car
interesting the recurring views on small regional airports from those living near "heathrow". Mmm.



How's this for a view from "those living near "heathrow"", from those under the flightpath:


One reason (among many) for Heathrow expansion is to allow, once again, proper connectivity with smaller local and regional UK airports. They need it to prosper or survive, Heathrow needs it for feeder flights for the increased longhaul flights that become possible with expansion.

It's not more convenient by train. Too many changes and hassle with tubes in London zone 1 (especially with baggage). Even from the west it is not possible to go direct to Heathrow by train, it is necessary to go all the way up to London and backtrack.

If driving, there are issues with congestion, delays and parking.

This (and a longstanding openskies arrangement) has allowed KLM to link 20+ UK airports to Schiphol, and clean up! That's convenience!
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One reason (among many) for Heathrow expansion is to allow, once again, proper connectivity with smaller local and regional UK airports.
Nope that is the way Heathrow sells it to get your local MPs support...
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Heathrow accessability

But you can connect to LHR via the RailAir links from Reading or Woking....
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Ever tried that trip ?

Interestingly, you can book via Ek and do NQY-DXB with one stop via MAN,LGW or even BHX but there's no easy option to get to say BFS or JER ?!!!


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Atlantic Holidays have pulled the 1 Funchal charter flight in the summer using Sata Airbus A320 ( In fact the Sata programme with Atlantic holidays has been puled from all the UK regional airports e.g. NWI , IOM , BOH , CWL etc )
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No easy option to get to Belfast or Jersey. Exeter is only just down the road with direct and regular flights to both. Come on you cant have every destination available at your finger tips!
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Jersey and Belfast was just an example !

Destinations from NQY are
LGW daily
MAN daily but seasonally not daily
LPL summer not daily
EDI summer not daily
BHX summer daily
Belfast and Newcastle are once weekly summer only.

It's not a case of having every destination available, but the current options for inbound and outbound travelers are pitiful.
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but the current options for inbound and outbound travelers are pitiful.
In fairness a lot of airlines have had a go, Newquay just isn't a goldmine for any of them. It's a seasonal UK destination massively subject to APD and the vagaries of tourism. The current offering is what the market will support without even more taxpayer subsidy.

The departure tax is a sign of how desperate they are!

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"This (and a longstanding openskies arrangement) has allowed KLM to link 20+ UK airports to Schiphol, and clean up! That's convenience"


Frank - most of the UK airports that link to Schipol are a bugger to get to locally - try Leeds for example - and you have to allow 45-60 minutes to egtthere

Newquay could be linked to LHR but the demand is just not there - same as Dundee, Sheffield, Doncaster, Teeside etc etc
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There is a demand for London > NQY though.

I personally rode the 0720 up 37 times last year and can vouch for decent load factors.

I think more of an issue is management. The loss of ATC on mil handover, the passenger departure levy, etc.

I can't help but think if this was handed over to BAA or the like we would stand more of a fighting chance.

The airport in it's entirety as a resource should be able to be commercially viable and is increasingly so with the re-location of AW, the air ambulance, Coventry museum etc.

Scrap the departure tax, offer some decent incentives for the low cost carriers and the odd benidorm charter.....
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airports like Aberdeen are/were desperate to get rid of BAA - who only think of LHR profits
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Heathrow accessability

But you can connect to LHR via the RailAir links from Reading or Woking....
Good point! does the bus go to all terminals?


Frank - most of the UK airports that link to Schipol are a bugger to get to locally - try Leeds for example - and you have to allow 45-60 minutes to egtthere

Newquay could be linked to LHR but the demand is just not there - same as Dundee, Sheffield, Doncaster, Teeside etc etc
Maybe, maybe not, depends where one is travelling from. As for "no demand", it is true that new availibility and choice creates new opportunities and new journeys, one reason why new roads fill up with traffic so quickly.

However, slot costs make it uneconomical for small regional aircraft; delays, costs and the inability to do quick turnarounds makes LHR unsuited to no frills carriers; and APD adding £28 to any domestic fare; it won't happen, so we will never know.

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The bus goes to the main bus station
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Old 5th Jan 2014, 11:56
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The bus goes to the main bus station
And also drops off at T1, T3 and T5 and picks up at T5

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Frank - most of the UK airports that link to Schipol are a bugger to get to locally - try Leeds for example - and you have to allow 45-60 minutes to get there
Don't understand this point? are you really saying that most UK airports with a KLM service have poor local access??
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depends where you live but for (say) Newcastle you have to allow 45 minutes at least coming from say South Shields or Whitley Bay - even from the town centre the Metro is 24 minutes and runs every 12 - 15 minutes minutes so you have to allow at least 45 minutes

Leeds Bradford is a complete bugger to get to from C Leeds

Manchester is a train every 10 minutes max and around 20-30 minutes to get there
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depends where you live but for (say) Newcastle you have to allow 45 minutes at least coming from say South Shields or Whitley Bay - even from the town centre the Metro is 24 minutes and runs every 12 - 15 minutes minutes so you have to allow at least 45 minutes

Leeds Bradford is a complete bugger to get to from C Leeds

Manchester is a train every 10 minutes max and around 20-30 minutes to get there
What? All passengers live in, and travel from/to, the city centre that the airport is named after?
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Old 7th Jan 2014, 16:31
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no - some live closer and some live further away - but city centre times are the ones that count for most business travelers
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So, bearing in mind this thread is about Newquay, which city centre, and travelling times, are relevant to Newquay travellers, Truro, Plymouth, Exeter?
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 17:13
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none - Newquay is a very small town with few people in the immediate area

Truro, Plymouth, Exeter etc all have fast train services and few people use the airport - hence the problem in getting & keeping airlines operating from it

The argument about City Centre travel times was to do with access to places like LHR, Schipol etc etc - ie at the other end of the trip .

Cornwall has a population of just over 536,000 spread over 1400 Sq miles - it's just not enough people to support a public-service airport
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