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The Cessna 337 ended up overrunning the grass strip at Orsett Hall, hitting a treestump and going across a road. I was part of the engineering team that dismantled the aircraft and roaded it back to SEN the next day. The main thing I remember about that task was the wonderful food served up at a transport cafe on the A13 nearby.
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Until a new runway or two are built at London, it doesn't seem likely that any airline will use it's valuable LHR/LGW slots for Newquay flights, so direct connections are off the table. In the probably lengthy interim perhaps adding Newquay to the Blue Islands network would be worth exploring. They've got the right aircraft and some useful business destinations and long haul connections out of Jersey.
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There you go a flight from Newquay to London City.... via Jerseyl Who said there was no way to have flights to London.
Watch out for that big storm coming Phileas - stay safe...
Watch out for that big storm coming Phileas - stay safe...
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Big Storm GROUNDHOG?
Just looking on GE we have a typhoon and a tropical storm in the vicinity ... and after the maid has gone home for the day
Typhoons, earthquakes, all part of day to day life here, in the high season here at the moment so really busy.
Just looking on GE we have a typhoon and a tropical storm in the vicinity ... and after the maid has gone home for the day
Typhoons, earthquakes, all part of day to day life here, in the high season here at the moment so really busy.
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As reported by the western morning news, newquay has gone down the PSO route, as I've stated before newquay to gatwick once a day early morning and late at night by flybe is the way ahead
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I think the limited number of PSO seats required per day ie aircraft size will mean BA and EZY will need to invest a lot of their own money in such a venture. If they were borderline for profitability then I suppose this could be enough to tip the balance. Personally can't see BA at NQY anytime soon.
The problem faced by Newquay is that London airports suitable for a Newquay service are now so busy relative to runway capacity at times of day commercially useful to a Newquay service that nobody wants to waste a precious slot when a run down to Spain would make more cash.
Can PSO really ameliorate the situation sufficiently that it makes the slot issue no longer a problem for NQY ? From what I can tell, applying PSO rules to a route usually leads to significant rises in air fares - would demand for the route sustain the fare increase and prevent too many people moving to the train ?
Can PSO really ameliorate the situation sufficiently that it makes the slot issue no longer a problem for NQY ? From what I can tell, applying PSO rules to a route usually leads to significant rises in air fares - would demand for the route sustain the fare increase and prevent too many people moving to the train ?
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PSO is needed where there's a pressing social need and little alternative. Taxpayer subsidies to BA while there's a perfectly good train available? Not a chance.
devonish flybe are pulling out of LGW due to prohibitivley high charges from GIP, they won't daystop an aircraft all day on the ground just to serve NQY. The parking charges alone would kill that idea.
devonish flybe are pulling out of LGW due to prohibitivley high charges from GIP, they won't daystop an aircraft all day on the ground just to serve NQY. The parking charges alone would kill that idea.
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Skipness, good point about the ac at gatwick all day, as even if the PSO was awarded to flybe they would have no other slots at gatwick to use for the rest of the day. Cornwall council seem very positive about keeping the link and they say that airlines are queuing up to take it over
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The problems will hit in a few years time when the the West Coast line in falls into the sea and what is now an average rail link to the capital becomes a very poor link.
As for getting the train out of Cornwall to anywhere else - it's rubbish - I can drive to Bristol quicker than it takes to get there on the train.
As for getting the train out of Cornwall to anywhere else - it's rubbish - I can drive to Bristol quicker than it takes to get there on the train.
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You could also add that if Cornwall Council want to save the airport they should get a management team in that know what they are doing...
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The issue of Newquay losing its London airline is like so many similar debates before. Jersey losing its London Heathrow route, Guernsey, IOM, Teesside (DTV) etc. unless the airport can buy and secure slots for the route it will have a difficult or doomed future. I accept this course of action is not straightforward but if government , local authorities and airports want to maintain connectivity between regions and London this option should be explored. Otherwise, KLM and co will export the passenger spend to AMS etc. however, not to say NQY will get KLM anytime soon.
While the airport may say there are airports queuing up to fly a London route the fact is the best placed one to maintain LGW has knocked it on the head. The bigger challenge is the number of airlines has been falling fast and options are limited. High fuel charges etc make airlines extremely sketchy about opening new routes that may not deliver the necessary return to satisfy shareholder requirements...
And as somebody pointed out flying an aircraft to a sun spot with big demand and high fares will win out every time...
The only option left for an LGW route must be a daily night stop at NQY by DY, a 733, they offer connecting services over their own routes and with so much going on for them at LGW, they could be attracted to the link... Bit if a long shot.
Otherwise, the sight of a PSO could draw FR to STN again...
While the airport may say there are airports queuing up to fly a London route the fact is the best placed one to maintain LGW has knocked it on the head. The bigger challenge is the number of airlines has been falling fast and options are limited. High fuel charges etc make airlines extremely sketchy about opening new routes that may not deliver the necessary return to satisfy shareholder requirements...
And as somebody pointed out flying an aircraft to a sun spot with big demand and high fares will win out every time...
The only option left for an LGW route must be a daily night stop at NQY by DY, a 733, they offer connecting services over their own routes and with so much going on for them at LGW, they could be attracted to the link... Bit if a long shot.
Otherwise, the sight of a PSO could draw FR to STN again...
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That's just the point, Newquay is at the end of a very slow branch line (linespeed 40-50 mph max IIRC). It takes an hour just to get to Par (where the branch joins the mainline) and then another hour on top of that to get to Plymouth. In winter I think there are about 4 or 5 services up and down the branch per day, only some of which might be any good for connection to a mainline service. In Summer it's a bit better, with some direct HSTs from London, and some points north, but they still have to creep up and down that single-track branch.
To be honest, Newquay might as well be on an island as far as usefulness for rail connections is concerned.
What would work, for me, is something similar to the current Flybe op, with an a/c based at NQY, that does early and late runs to London, and maybe a Manchester (or Amsterdam/Paris?) runs during the day.
An opportunity for Skybus perhaps, especially with PSO funds to launch it, and I don't mean with a Twotter!
Taxpayer subsidies to BA while there's a perfectly good train available? Not a chance.
To be honest, Newquay might as well be on an island as far as usefulness for rail connections is concerned.
What would work, for me, is something similar to the current Flybe op, with an a/c based at NQY, that does early and late runs to London, and maybe a Manchester (or Amsterdam/Paris?) runs during the day.
An opportunity for Skybus perhaps, especially with PSO funds to launch it, and I don't mean with a Twotter!
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Newquay is at the end of a very slow branch line
Do all the punters that use CWL live in Rhoose, do all the punters that use BRS live in Lulsgate etc. etc. etc?