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Old 11th Feb 2014, 09:37
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'In an ideal World I would like to see one carefully located airport that would replace Newquay, Exeter, Plymouth and even Bristol with proper ground connections enhancing existing and adding new rail lines and roads in the area.'


Yeovilton, Merryfield or Dunkeswell, anyone?
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 09:44
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You cannot be serious, surely?
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 09:47
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Newquay Airport ran fine, and profitably, back in the day when Brymon Airways had the lease of operating it in the day when it was, literally, a couple of oversized portakabins, a car park, a couple of baggage trolleys, a couple of clapped out fuel bowsers "Sweaty Betty" and "Fat Ann" and with everything else owned, operated, and provided for by the UK taxpayer, a.k.a. MoD (Air)

St. Mawgan/Newquay might be comparable to Machrihanish/Campbeltown, difference being that MoD (Air) still own and operate Machrihanish airfield whilst Campbeltown Airport remains pretty much as my description of Newquay Airport back in the day.

Perhaps because MoD (Air) couldn't find a sucker to take over and maintain/operate Machrihanish airfield whereas in Cornwall they found an entire county of suckers who, not necessarily by choice, agreed to taking over maintaining and operating St. Mawgan airfield!
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 10:23
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St. Mawgan/Newquay might be comparable to Machrihanish/Campbeltown, difference being that MoD (Air) still own and operate Machrihanish airfield whilst Campbeltown Airport remains pretty much as my description of Newquay Airport back in the day.
No they don't.

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Old 11th Feb 2014, 14:02
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So we don't get the Argyll News here in the middle of the Pacific ... We don't even get landline telephones nor Radio nor Television broadcasts here, all we've had since New Year are a Typhoon, a Tropical Depression and a Tropical Storm ... and lots of rain
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 15:06
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'In an ideal World I would like to see one carefully located airport that would replace Newquay, Exeter, Plymouth and even Bristol with proper ground connections enhancing existing and adding new rail lines and roads in the area.'


Yeovilton, Merryfield or Dunkeswell, anyone?
Weston Zoyland would be better located than any of those, close to the M5 but with plenty of room for expansion. Still in use for microlights....

But I guess it's under water at the moment...
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 18:10
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Many of us down here in the windswept Duchy are very eager for Newquay to succeed and I thought mention of the good old days of Brymon very apt. Let's have a series of ideas - big or small - on possible solutions which will at least help reduce the deficit. We have the helicopter outfit with the S-61 and the Dauphins (name forgotten- it's an age thing !), the Gate Guardians outfit, Apple Aviation seem to be forever on the verge of moving in, the forthcoming SAR detachment with a couple of S-92s is moving closer, Classic Air Force and perhaps one or two others including the Council's solar farm.


Those of you with infinitely more knowledge of such matters than this ole boy point out that flights in to and out of Newquay are never going to be the
complete answer so my question quite simply is this - what can you suggest which will help reduce the deficit. There's been talk of theme park activites which sounds unlikely to me.


I'd like to think something along the lines Apple deal in might be a step in the right direction whilst the current modest number of airline training flights using some of our empty airspace must help to some extent but a loss of ten grand or so each and every day is sobering.


This being PPRuNe, silly ideas get extremely short shrift. Something I have been pondering for a spell is to wonder why Prestwick is so popular with the military whilst Newquay is scarcely used for transatlantic flights yet some time ago in the good ole days of RAF St.Mawgan I recall seeing three USN C-9s there on one occasion en route to St. Johns and seemingly the distance is virtually the same as using Prestwick.


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Old 11th Feb 2014, 18:43
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Combine civilian flights with RNAS at Culdrose? Might make the residents on the Isles happy? Unless any airport down here has minimal overheads it is never going to pay its way on flights alone.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 06:03
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Extend/resurface rwy 05/23 at Newquay's other licensed aerodrome, install some lights and a nav aid or few, construct a modestly sized terminal and car park then develop St Mawgan airfield in to holiday homes, caravan parks, theme park, Disneyland Cornwall or whatever because it's a white elephant that is never going to return a single penny in profit.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 07:20
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FR24 says G-FBEI has operated NQY-LGW on the first flight this morning.

Is that one of the 195's that was stored at NQY? (that info might at least settle a previous discussion).

(Apparently the 195 has been put on the existing schedule with the Q400 on the extra flights).
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 07:27
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Another way of looking at the 3 million 'loss' to the taxpayer is not to see it as a financial loss but as a necessary cost to maintain a vital piece of transport infrastructure.

It would also be useful to understand the extent to which the direct loss is offset by the local economic value the airport generates - how many extra tourists it brought in that wouldn't have come otherwise and their value, extra business generated for local companies etc.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 07:29
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Extend/resurface rwy 05/23 at Newquay's other licensed aerodrome, install some lights and a nav aid or few, construct a modestly sized terminal and car park
Extend from 3.000 ft ? Given that the days of puddle-jumpers are over, you would need to bulldoze quite a bit of the surroundings to have a runway that could accommodate aircraft that are used for the kind of services we are talking about.

Probably in the long term the only way forward is a intermodal approach with much improved rail connections directly from a single airport gateway for the SW.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 07:47
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Extend from 3.000 ft ?
VB,

Never mind declared distances there's already some 4,000ft of hard surface 05/23 runway, there's space for extending, perhaps 1,000ft, off the 05 threshold yet still within the airfield perimeter track and there's probably space for a tad of an extension off the 23 threshold end.

So all in all we could be talking in terms of a runway in excess of 5,000ft so pray tell me what lengths Saab's, Dornier's, ATR's, Dash 8's, BAe146's, CRJ's and Embraer Pocket Rockets require and why quaint little Cornwall should ever feel the need to equip, at taxpayers expense, for larger aircraft types than these?
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 08:16
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Seems its not one of the storred aircraft being used !


Interesting points raised Phileas, perran won't ever happen regardless, but NQY will stay.

Agreed however that it won't survive on commercial ops, but there's more to NQY than commercial flights.

Anyone know why the caa stats don't show military flights etc for NQY ?


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Old 12th Feb 2014, 08:22
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Simon,

You're right, CCC cocked-up big time when the MoD needed to offload St. Mawgan airfield and the MoD certainly found a sucker in CCC.

So, now, to close NQY/St. Mawgan CCC will need to find a sucker of their own so NQY/St. Mawgan is likely to remain in place simply because it's nigh on impossible to sell such a white elephant
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 08:38
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Exactly

But also what is the economic impact to Cornwall of the airport and the associated businesses ?

Is apple actually coming ?

Is anything else at NQY currently, helimed, bristow coming, caf ?

And again, military flying doesn't show up on caa stats but certainly happens, I really hope that CCC are charging for it now ?


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Old 12th Feb 2014, 09:08
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military flying doesn't show up on caa stats
Well it does at all other airports, but as we saw a few months ago, for some reason Newquay chooses not to record - or not to send to the CAA - figures for movements of private, aero club, military or virtually any other non-commercial air transport aircraft. Quite strange, I can't imagine why they do that.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 09:08
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In the meantime people like Simon, Non Emmett and myself are paying to keep the place going and the council squandering for instance 10 million on a useless master plan. There is a ski slope and winter sports centre planned near Truro so why not build that at the airport, it is where many of the tourists are after all.

Just please CCC do not spend squillions of pounds further trying to develop what is already a perfectly acceptable little terminal and facilities that can easily handle the traffic it has and little chance of getting much more.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 09:14
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Phileas, I get the distinct impression you actually want the airport to be shut down just so you can say I told you so. I think we need to get over the fact that it's being subsidised and is losing 3m p/a, there's countless posts on here about it but the fact of the matter is that isn't going to change for the time being so we need to get over it and move on. Perranporth is never going to happen, that much is a given.

In other news.

The E195 came in from Belfast yesterday.

Does anyone know when Apple aviation is coming to NQY and what financial impact (in a positive sense) this will have?
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 09:34
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Assuming you don't live here it is very easy to say get over it when it isn't being payed for from your pocket Deano777. You cant just gloss over the facts and move on, what would you like to do expand the airport terminal further and then we could pay for a 10 million a year loss instead.

I regularly fly from a Canadian airport similar size to Newquay which has a handful of dash 8 flights but it also has an engineering base, a massive RV ( motorhome) dealer, a car hire company store thousands of vehicles there, a boat builder and distributor and so on....several other businesses which seem to range from agricultural machinery to log burning stoves. the airport is entirely self sufficient and that is what Newquay has to become.
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