Aer Lingus Regional
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EI-REP
Found a picture on flickr of EI-REP since withdrawal. Propellers removed.
Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann) ATR-72 EI-REP | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann) ATR-72 EI-REP | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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I don't see how you're comparing like with like here, even with your example of Augsburg Airlines. It folded after LH ceased cooperation due to cost-cutting, LH merged its wholly owned assets (nearly all of Augsburg's fleet) into CityLine which made perfect sense.
Also your examples of Aer Lingus Commuter and CityJet, both operate(d) less than economically viable fleets and are/were fully funded by their associated airline/owner e.g. Aer Lingus funded Commuter and Air France/KLM fund CityJet the latter for sale. Aer Lingus Regional is costing Aer Lingus nothing its making them money through the franchise fee, Aer Lingus are investing over €10m in this new fleet deal, it's clear they're committed and most definitely for the next 10 years.
Also your examples of Aer Lingus Commuter and CityJet, both operate(d) less than economically viable fleets and are/were fully funded by their associated airline/owner e.g. Aer Lingus funded Commuter and Air France/KLM fund CityJet the latter for sale. Aer Lingus Regional is costing Aer Lingus nothing its making them money through the franchise fee, Aer Lingus are investing over €10m in this new fleet deal, it's clear they're committed and most definitely for the next 10 years.
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I thought EI-REP was the youngest of the ATR's in the fleet.
Does anyone know the reason for it being withdrawn from service?
Does anyone know the reason for it being withdrawn from service?
The new -600 (EI-FAS) should be delivered on the 23rd Apr, and put into service on the 25th. Glasgow is the first route it will be operating i think.
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@dublinaviator appreciate you not calling my post nonsense unless you tell me you are reading from the franchise agreement, and I know you aren't, because you're wrong.
Of course EI can terminate if RE aren't meeting an agreed performance standard but they can't terminate on a whim. No business or airline would enter such an agreement as they would be left, with little notice, with aircraft and the whole airline infrastructure and absolutely nothing to do.
Of course EI can terminate if RE aren't meeting an agreed performance standard but they can't terminate on a whim. No business or airline would enter such an agreement as they would be left, with little notice, with aircraft and the whole airline infrastructure and absolutely nothing to do.
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Originally Posted by Jack1985
I don't see how you're comparing like with like here, even with your example of Augsburg Airlines. It folded after LH ceased cooperation due to cost-cutting, LH merged its wholly owned assets (nearly all of Augsburg's fleet) into CityLine which made perfect sense.
Originally Posted by Jack1985
Also your examples of Aer Lingus Commuter and CityJet, both operate(d) less than economically viable fleets and are/were fully funded by their associated airline/owner e.g. Aer Lingus funded Commuter and Air France/KLM fund CityJet the latter for sale. Aer Lingus Regional is costing Aer Lingus nothing its making them money through the franchise fee, Aer Lingus are investing over €10m in this new fleet deal, it's clear they're committed and most definitely for the next 10 years.
Also not once did I claim Aer Lingus wasn't benefitting from the franchise (just read back over my post and you'll see I actually highlighted the benefits). All I've done is highlight that there is a huge risk on Aer Arann's part by being 100% exposed to such a franchise for it's business. I just personally think there is a question mark over the sustainability of Aer Arann's business in the medium to long term.
Originally Posted by Angry Rebel
Of course EI can terminate if RE aren't meeting an agreed performance standard but they can't terminate on a whim. No business or airline would enter such an agreement as they would be left, with little notice, with aircraft and the whole airline infrastructure and absolutely nothing to do.
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Just going on common sense I'd say there's probably some clause in there that if either party wants to stop the agreement they've to give 3 (6?) months notice. I think this is what Dublin Aviator is getting at.
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Actual - existing in fact (as opposed to spouting off)
Knowledge - the fact or condition of being aware of something
I cannot disclose the exact source for confidentiality.
Knowledge - the fact or condition of being aware of something
I cannot disclose the exact source for confidentiality.
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First picture of the new 72-600, reg EI-FAS named St Conall.
Photo : le 1er ATR 72-600 d’Aer Lingus Regional est pręt - Le Journal de l'Aviation
Photo : le 1er ATR 72-600 d’Aer Lingus Regional est pręt - Le Journal de l'Aviation
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EI-FAS on test as F-WWET, picture here: ATR - Aer Lingus Regional - F-WWET | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Glad that it looks as though it is not in 72 seat config! Should hopefully make travelling on these more comfy than the 500's! With any luck they will have gone for the 68 seats with a coat rail in the back (as on the older a/c) as I hate having to squish my suit jackets into the overheads!
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SLL Did not go back yesterday as originally planned. There was some snags to be fixed on EI-FAS and it has been delayed untill near the end of the week.
The 500s are probably the most expensive in the fleet and they are more than 5 years old now. They have been giving trouble recently and therefore the decision was taken to sell off the big assets.
REP is awaiting its engines to come back from overhaul and then it will be flown out of the country. With 8 600s on the way, and the option for 2 more, they will no longer need all the 500s.
I do think that it was a silly move! But hey..
The 500s are probably the most expensive in the fleet and they are more than 5 years old now. They have been giving trouble recently and therefore the decision was taken to sell off the big assets.
REP is awaiting its engines to come back from overhaul and then it will be flown out of the country. With 8 600s on the way, and the option for 2 more, they will no longer need all the 500s.
I do think that it was a silly move! But hey..