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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 12:45
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I don't know where you are in the UK, Legallooptheloop, but I wouldn't take the use of the term "Tool" too personally. It's often used in friendly banter in Northern Ireland and you would recognise it as such if someone was talking to you in a Belfast accent. It's all part of the "craic" as they say locally.
Not so sure that works on a web forum...maybe in a pub with your mates, but not when you're having an impersonal discussion in writing on the WWW.

The administration considered Long Kesh (Maze) at the time. This location is right beside the main railway line south from Belfast, as well as the M1. It's 10 miles at the most from Great Victoria Street, and would have offered easy access by train, bus and car. Why they didn't choose it, I'll never know.
Agree totally...would have been a prime site. Although I suspect that those in authority did not foresee the rise in air travel, or the need for transport integration. The M2 / A57 was probably seen as a 'good road'.

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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 17:19
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Quote: "As far as the BHD v BFS argument is concerned, I still maintain BFS was the wrong location for the Nutts Corner replacement.
The administration considered Long Kesh (Maze) at the time. This location is right beside the main railway line south from Belfast, as well as the M1. It's 10 miles at the most from Great Victoria Street, and would have offered easy access by train, bus and car. Why they didn't choose it, I'll never know
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Maybe it's to do with recent history. On the other hand, in another part of the world it did not stop an airport being built at Changi.

BTW, why did Nutts Corner need replacing?
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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 17:44
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Nutts corner had a steep approach and there were two fatal crashes in the 1950s. At the time the right angled and longer runways at Aldergrove seemed a better option. In the 70s this was definitely the case with the Tridents. Noise was also a consideration - the Trident 3s with afterburners could be heard easily in Antrim.
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AFTER BURN on a Trident
The 2 fields are right beside each other. the reason was crosswinds mostly

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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 19:26
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My initial criticism was entirely impersonal.
I think you'll find it was a statement of personal preference based on your dislike of one of the two options. With a little bit of implied malice in my opinion.

That you responded by calling me a Tool (capital T, no less) does, I think you'll agree, say it all.
Yes, yes it probably does! Despite your claim that we are talking infrastructure, there is much more at stake than that, the aer lingus pull out could have implications for lots of families etc who depend on a job at BFS and who won't be transferrable. Anyone who doesn't consider these kind of things is, in my opinion, a Tool.

Long may people not get smashed at 8am at Belfast City. If that means that the 'drunk by 9 crew' fly from Antrim then the place serves a brilliant purpose in addition to being there in the event of wind and snow.
Look, people don't get too smashed no matter what airport you fly from, or they don't get on the plane, fact! (captains are very strict on this) Up above you seem a bit unsympathetic, here you sound a bit snobbish
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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 19:50
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it may be useful if someone bought a large pram full of toys for everyone to chuck out. When we've ran out slagging airlines off it descends into personal stuff. Come on folks grow up.

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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 20:11
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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 22:37
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Aldergrove Airport (now BIA) opened in 1963. It was an RAF base, and the existing runway may have been an attraction. It was also the diversion airport for aircraft unable to land at Nutts Corner because of strong crosswinds. Obviously, 1963 was long before the unfortunate "recent history" of which Long Kesh became an integral part. The first jet, a British United 1/11 didn't land until 1966. To be honest I think it was just a cost effective, easy option for the Stormont administration. Why bother with a mundane little thing like siting an airport close to efficient transport links, when you've much bigger fish to fry such as the creation of a new city named after Northern Ireland 's first Prime Minister. But hang on...this new city, Craigavon, was built right beside the railway line and motorway which pass Long Kesh. So a civil airport at Long Kesh would also have been very convenient for business travellers visiting the factories the administration hoped would be built in Craigavon. The concept of an integrated transport system was obviously slow to take off here.
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Old 22nd Jul 2012, 23:30
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Nutts Corner/Aldergrove

Thanks for the info db7 and frequentflyer2.

Had thought that Aldergrove was more recent than 1963, hence the reference to "recent history".

Take it that Craigavon is named after James Craig?
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 00:15
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Yes . James Craig himself. Born in Sydenham!
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Will servisair handle all flights at BHD come end Oct i.e. Manx2 , Flybe , BA and EI or will EI bring Menzies down to create a new operating base for them ?
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Are menzies not closing some uk bases?
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 17:27
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Will servisair handle all flights at BHD come end Oct i.e. Manx2 , Flybe , BA and EI or will EI bring Menzies down to create a new operating base for them ?
Menzies are trying to get the contract there too yes.
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 17:34
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Are menzies not closing some uk bases?
Yeah, keep losing out to a minimum wage paying handler, think it is some division/offshoot of Servisair
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 18:04
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They are called S.M.A.R.T. Menzies in BFS still have to handle 200+ EZY flights a week, the increase of EZY flights will no doubt offset the loss of EI.
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 18:15
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Cheers Tigger,

Kept hearing Servisair Lite being mentioned but didn't sound like a proper name.

Aye, 200+ flights a week for Menzies is good but I'm sure they wouldn't mind a presence down the road either...
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 18:29
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Quote: "Yes . James Craig himself. Born in Sydenham!"

Right on top of BHD!
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 19:15
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Guys how long do you give it before BA will pull out of BHD again having just come back (to Belfast!)

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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 19:34
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Not long I would imagine. November ?

I wonder do they pay any landing fees ?

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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 19:46
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BA have never operated from BHD, regional ops by subsidiaries cobbled together then dumped are not a good comparison. Given the CEO of IAG wants this to work and has very publically said so, it would not be the first route to go. I suspect EI will blink before BA do.

As to landing fees, they inherited whatever bmi were payin, unless someone can confirm the deal has been renegotiated?

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