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In short yes. Air Asia A/C with Air Asia flight deck crews. It will be interesting to see if more Airbus products follow this short term wet lease, like what happened with Easy Jet ie Boeing to Airbus fleet.
Bit of a change for the crews swapping KL for the "delights" of Manchester, never mind the antics of some of their forthcoming passengers, which is largely unheard of out there.
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In short yes. Air Asia A/C with Air Asia flight deck crews. It will be interesting to see if more Airbus products follow this short term wet lease, like what happened with Easy Jet ie Boeing to Airbus fleet.
Bit of a change for the crews swapping KL for the "delights" of Manchester, never mind the antics of some of their forthcoming passengers, which is largely unheard of out there.
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I see! Thanks for your reply. It will be interesting to see what the future holds about their Airbus ir even LS route structures in future.
I'm thinking about trying it. A flatbed for £50 extra. Bargain! My only worry is the wife. Ive a feeling she won't be best pleased with flying Air Asia (I know it's not them, but that's what she'll be thinking of). Let's hope the hybrid scheme covers it up a bit.
I'm thinking about trying it. A flatbed for £50 extra. Bargain! My only worry is the wife. Ive a feeling she won't be best pleased with flying Air Asia (I know it's not them, but that's what she'll be thinking of). Let's hope the hybrid scheme covers it up a bit.
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Would not bother me as I have flown with them in the past, though not a regular, as I work in the Far East a lot (outbound KL on next Tuesday in fact). I was just interested to see if the flight crew were going to be from that area, or were going to be UK based.
The storm which was a contributory factor in the loss of the Air Asia Airbus was apparently very large even by the standards in that area. I had a colleague on an EK flight from Brisbane to KL which was in the same area at the time. He has told me he reckoned the tops of the thunderheads were over 50k ft and appeared very active as they threaded there way through.
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Would not bother me as I have flown with them in the past, though not a regular, as I work in the Far East a lot (outbound KL on next Tuesday in fact). I was just interested to see if the flight crew were going to be from that area, or were going to be UK based.
The storm which was a contributory factor in the loss of the Air Asia Airbus was apparently very large even by the standards in that area. I had a colleague on an EK flight from Brisbane to KL which was in the same area at the time. He has told me he reckoned the tops of the thunderheads were over 50k ft and appeared very active as they threaded there way through.
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Yeah, G-JZHA (formerly D-AHFY from TUI [aged 13.9 years old]) has arrived at EMA today from Hannover as EXS51D. I expect that the aircraft has flown into EMA to undergo the treatment of Airbourne Colours (based BOH and more recently EMA) to receive its new paint job.
D-AHFS and D-AHFR (to become G-JZHB and G-JZHC respectively) are to be leased from AerCap, but aged at 14.7 and 14.8 years respectively, I'd expect we'd see them for a long time yet! Still, great to see such a good UK airline expanding like Jet2!
D-AHFS and D-AHFR (to become G-JZHB and G-JZHC respectively) are to be leased from AerCap, but aged at 14.7 and 14.8 years respectively, I'd expect we'd see them for a long time yet! Still, great to see such a good UK airline expanding like Jet2!
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With Jet fuel prices falling off a cliff the drive towards more fuel efficient aircraft will probably take a back seat. Having said that the NG is still just a tarted up classic and is prone to the same despatch weakness particularly the air-condition and pressurisation systems.
Despite or in spite of their continued success i still find it difficult to take J2 seriously as a long term player in the Lo Co market, their market penetration stops at EMA, the product is good but not cheap and i suspect much of their success is down to not being Ryanair, but Ryanair are changing fast and have a cost base well under half of that of Jet2
A 14 year old NG is still an old aircraft
Despite or in spite of their continued success i still find it difficult to take J2 seriously as a long term player in the Lo Co market, their market penetration stops at EMA, the product is good but not cheap and i suspect much of their success is down to not being Ryanair, but Ryanair are changing fast and have a cost base well under half of that of Jet2
A 14 year old NG is still an old aircraft
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I think Jet2's USP is that its the north's leading airline (i.e. doesn't go further south than East Midlands) and that works well to an extent. Yes FR might be in competition with the likes of LS, but I think the Jet2 product relies on loyalty, and I think that this is evident at NCL. FR operates once a day with one aircraft from DUB-NCL-DUB. Thus as opposed to Jet2 who operate 30 Desinations from NCL at peak summer, the planes without a seat spare.
I would say that LS has a massive lead in the market when it comes to its Jet2holidays brand. They've grown strongly since 2007, becoming one of the UK's leading tour providers. That is something FR will never have. all we hear from FR is - we'regoing to buy new aircraft and operate flights to America...
Jet2 have already beaten you to that.
And although I agree that a 14 year old NG is an older aircraft - in comparison to the rest of Jet2's fleet, is is quite new. A lot of airlines don't want 14 year old NG's, so the price of the aircraft drops to accommodate that. Jet2 have always went for the older aircraft as these are cheaper, and I suppose it is their business model, which I think they should keep! If you are doing well and expanding at such a rate, then don't change it. There's nothing wrong with these older aircraft, and this is evident, as you can look at Monarch, who do own some brand new aircraft, and are forking out on 30 737MAXs, but they aren't doing so well and are showing signs of struggle, at least Jet2 aren't!
I would say that LS has a massive lead in the market when it comes to its Jet2holidays brand. They've grown strongly since 2007, becoming one of the UK's leading tour providers. That is something FR will never have. all we hear from FR is - we'regoing to buy new aircraft and operate flights to America...
Jet2 have already beaten you to that.
And although I agree that a 14 year old NG is an older aircraft - in comparison to the rest of Jet2's fleet, is is quite new. A lot of airlines don't want 14 year old NG's, so the price of the aircraft drops to accommodate that. Jet2 have always went for the older aircraft as these are cheaper, and I suppose it is their business model, which I think they should keep! If you are doing well and expanding at such a rate, then don't change it. There's nothing wrong with these older aircraft, and this is evident, as you can look at Monarch, who do own some brand new aircraft, and are forking out on 30 737MAXs, but they aren't doing so well and are showing signs of struggle, at least Jet2 aren't!
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Hi all, whilst on Flightradar 24 earlier, I noticed there seems to be a lot of 737's from Jet2 positioning from Gatwick to I assume Leeds. Does anyone know why this is?
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I'm not disputing J2 business model or its strategy of running used aircraft. Jet2 Holidays have done very well. The transatlantic stuff is rather different, a few seasonal Xmas flights does not make for a successful transatlantic operation and certainly not with very old 757's on ad hoc ops.
Loyalty is this game is very shallow as a quick look on Skytrax will show!! next Summer will show whether they have built enough resilience to the flying programme to support an ambitious summer with different aircraft.
Good luck and good to see them doing so well
Loyalty is this game is very shallow as a quick look on Skytrax will show!! next Summer will show whether they have built enough resilience to the flying programme to support an ambitious summer with different aircraft.
Good luck and good to see them doing so well
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Re the comment/ question about Jet2 ac positioning LGW LBA, this may be due to charter work ex LGW, in previous years they were doing charters ex LGW and ski may be included, as has been the case at Dublin in recent years.
I've been watching the airbus progress on Jet2, i.e. getting airbus this year, or rather operating for the airline on wet lease etc. The bigger future question that may have been made clear on the thread, but I am completely unaware of it is;
with an ageing fleet of 737-300's but in particular the QC models that do extensive cargo work; what happens when these outlive their good life, what is the alternative. The cargo operation brings significant benefits in terms of unit cost per aircraft, as they can operate over night when the fleet is otherwise idle and a significant revenue driver, especially in Winter when they have much small flying programme.
equally they operating the Royal Mail contract they need to have to be able to meet their requirements but without a QC model in the future? This could have significant cost base implications?
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I've been watching the airbus progress on Jet2, i.e. getting airbus this year, or rather operating for the airline on wet lease etc. The bigger future question that may have been made clear on the thread, but I am completely unaware of it is;
with an ageing fleet of 737-300's but in particular the QC models that do extensive cargo work; what happens when these outlive their good life, what is the alternative. The cargo operation brings significant benefits in terms of unit cost per aircraft, as they can operate over night when the fleet is otherwise idle and a significant revenue driver, especially in Winter when they have much small flying programme.
equally they operating the Royal Mail contract they need to have to be able to meet their requirements but without a QC model in the future? This could have significant cost base implications?
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At last contract renewal, it was reported that income from the mail contract was significantly down due to the competitive nature of the bidding process.
When the A320 comes, expect the mail to be quietly dropped.
When the A320 comes, expect the mail to be quietly dropped.
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Can anyone tell me why there is a EDI / Verona in the winter - could be ski but no one else seems to fly there ? Also it seems to have a long lie over at Verona as I cannot see any Z formation flight back to anywhere else in UK ?