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Old 4th Sep 2014, 18:41
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Jet2 G-GDFP, 737-800 just diverted from over the English Channel into Stansted
on emergency 7700. Glasgow - Reus.
Medical emergency.
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 18:50
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medical emergency?

How do you know that? If I was suffering cardiac arrest at 38000 i would prefer to be put down in Jersey rather than Stansted!!
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 18:52
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Who said cardiac arrest?

737-800 into Jersey, good luck!
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 19:19
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LS121 was reported as a medical emergency. Presumably the time taken to descend from 38000 to anywhere meant Stansted was a sensible choice, even though they were over the channel at the time.

It's now back on its way. Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!

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Old 4th Sep 2014, 19:24
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Jet 2 had a previous at EMA in June was over and done in about 15 mins no diversions needed.

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Old 4th Sep 2014, 19:48
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Seems that EC-ISY is not as blessed as you may think.
I think it is also worth adding that with the very rigorous safety and reporting culture in the UK, NOTHING goes unreported.
I do not have the same confidence that countries outside our shorelines have the same culture.

Incident: Privilege Style B752 near Valencia on Nov 3rd 2008, navigation problems
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 20:42
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Lighty89, PPRuNe.org is a US based site and hence US laws are working here.

LNIDA, LN-NON is the oldest 737-800, but DY still has 9 737-300, all older than LN-NON, and the almost 25 year old wart hog LN-KKW is the oldest of the DY fleet. To link this to Jet2, LN-KKW is younger than all Jet2 G-CEL_ registered 737-300. All 737-300 in the DY fleet will be gone by the end of 2015 and in 2015 they only will have 5 737-300 in their fleet (all 4 leased 737-300 and 3 leased old 737-800 will be returned to lessor at the end of this year, among the three 737-800 is LN-NON).
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 21:40
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Yes very much aware of the 300's as you say due to be phased out in late 14/15 but i was specifically referring to the NG fleet to support my assertion that as aircraft age they become less reliable, not unsafe of course, but its been said before sooner or later one of these events won't be handled correctly....

The press have already latched on to Jet2 incidents, it won't take long before the age of the airframes are in the red tops, yes BA operate some very old 400's out of LGW but they've had them and maintained them from new.

If you look at the ASL freighter (now scrapped) that shut EMA earlier in the year when the MLG leg detached, you are only ever a flight away from a PR nightmare, press don't give a stuff if its freighter, no human interest, no story, put a 148 on board different ball game.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 09:14
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I don't think BA has any 747 services from Gatwick.

I would sooner fly on an old BA 747 any day rather on a fifth hand old 737-300 on Jet2. I flew from Vancouver on a BA 747 which was taken out of service the next day. I felt sorry for the old girl, she seemed pretty good to me!!!

I can understand passengers getting frightened when they don't know what is happening. It is a disgrace that the tannoy was not working or even the megaphone, it just shows what the maintenance is like.

It is the same thing at airports when there is a delay, if only people were told the truth they wouldn't get so frustrated.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 09:32
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It is a disgrace that the tannoy was not working or even the megaphone, it just shows what the maintenance is like.
Be careful what you imply in what you write.

The PA failing to work was NOTHING to do with maintenance, it was related to the fault that caused the smoke/fumes, as were many of the other abnormalities during the event.

The 300's have 2 megaphones, one at the front and one at the rear, they are stowed in hat racks. They are checked every day for functionality. I can only surmise that with the passengers up and about and in the way the CC at the front couldn't access theirs, and the CC at the back didn't know what was occurring as he/she sits rearward facing and has a bulk-head between her and the cabin.

I'd also like to take umbrage at
It is the same thing at airports when there is a delay, if only people were told the truth they wouldn't get so frustrated.
Most people are given information when delays occur, sometimes it's best not to go into too much technical detail, and sometimes the detail isn't available. In addition many people don't listen to announcements so they think they've been left in the dark when they just haven't listened. And sometimes the original plan for the delay changes so passengers think that they have been led along, when actually they really haven't.

Little rant over, just remains to congratulate the crew for a job well done under very unusual circumstances
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 10:00
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just a guess, but I think LNIDA was referring to the B737-400s which BA operate out of LGW and would certainly be more relevant to the thread
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 15:14
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Alycidon thanks for that, my mistake!

Jonny FP if the passengers haven't been told what to do you can understand why they panic.

When I'm being served my drinks on a flight and the attendants have difficulty finding change and the drinks, I sometimes wonder how they would react in an emergency. I'm sure they are fully trained and would cope well, but I just wonder.

I've had to wait for a flight at a small and horrible Greek airport. All I want is information. If the flight is delayed 5 hours I could go out and have a meal. I do not expect them to tell me that the plane is very old and they have had to take bits of another! I wouldn't want to start worrying.

I.m not a Jet2 fan, I usually chose Thomson, Ryanair or Monarch. They have newish planes, I think some of Thomson's old 737-800s were sold to Jet2. But now Monarch are leaving my local airport, I might have to use them. I even used to go on Baby!
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 15:55
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And sometimes the original plan for the delay changes so passengers think that they have been led along, when actually they really haven't.
Absolutely true - delays are often very dynamic events, with things changing by the minute (and usually just after you've given pax the latest update...)
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 15:57
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I guess the difference is CC at some of the
LCCs and Charter might only get a day or two
service training and 3-4 weeks SEP and AvMed training.

Have you seen how much stuff is crammed into those trollies. A lot of the charters carry more boxes of stuff in the hold for the return.

All airlines 'rob' parts from other aircraft to try and maintain
schedule integrity especially if you don't have a replacement part immediately to hand and say the other aircraft is on a longer turnaround
allowing more time to get the new part.

Why not just swap to the serviceable aircraft ? Could be for a variety of reasons:- different engine ratings, different config of fuel tanks (some aircraft same type have additional tanks) , different configurations ! All airlines do it and as long as done correctly, perfect safe.

Two out of the three airlines you prefer I know do it regularly - I have no personal experience of FR.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 16:13
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Jet2 in the news again today...

Travellers abandon Jet2 flight from Malaga after passenger sparks panic by taking photos | Mail Online
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 16:27
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You couldn't make this stuff up?????????whats wrong with these people?
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 17:28
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AAIB have been upto East Mids to take a look, so I would guess a formal report into the incident/evacuation will be published in due course..
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 18:05
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We know it all happened on the runway!

I see that the cited Malaga flight was stranded "ON THE RUNWAY" for two hours according to the loons writing for the Daily Fail. The MEN also made the same error.

Just curious we know that journalists regularly trawl the pages of PPRuNe. Can one of you please explain why so many of your peers who make a living from writing seem incapable of understanding the simple word 'RUNWAY'. How technical do you think this word is? Most primary schoolkids know what a runway is! Have journalists lost all pride in maintaining basic professional standards?

Of course, if the commonly cited "on the runway" pieces were actually true we'd have some great stories! Not just the consequent mega-delays either. I personally loved the one in which the England squad returning home from the World Cup "disembarked on the runway". Now that would have been worth watching better box-office than the matches by far!

Seriously, journos, get a grip! There is NO EXCUSE for professional writers to misuse such a simple word.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 19:32
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Journos

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The proper Journos, the ones that used to write professional stuff, were regarded as being too expensive and fired. In their place they hired wannabees who dreamed of having their names on a newspaper by line. The owners didnt care these kids could barely string two sentences together, let alone spell, but hey they were cheap

Sadly too many parallels with aviation( and other professionals) for comfort..
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 20:23
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Travellers abandon Jet2 flight from Malaga after passenger sparks panic by taking photos | Mail Online
What totally awful reporting. I don't think the title of journalism is relevant in this case.
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