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Old 18th Aug 2016, 07:54
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It is very encouraging to hear the Jet2 and Jet2 holidays are expanding and doing so well but if that is the case then why are the parent company shares doing so badly?

Down by almost a half today since the all time high.

Have the masters of the universe in their red braces got it wrong again or is there a real concern about the long term viability of Dart Group?
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 08:24
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Compare the group and look at the others and airlines alike.

Ryanair and Easyjet aren't high compared to what they once were.
As long as the make money each year that is what counts
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 08:43
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I see that Titan are to acquire an A330. I wonder if this will be the Jet2 aircraft next year ?

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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:42
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Price today about 475, highest price was 677 in the spring.

Unless you have been to Mars and back I am sure you are aware of Brexit.

This will obviously have an effect in the short term with the drop in the value of the pound against the Dollar (purchase of fuel and new aircraft) and the Euro (purchase of hotel rooms, transport, nave charges, airport and handling fees etc in Europe)

The price reduction in the value of shares is also nearer a third and not a half.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 13:31
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I was wondering the same thing about Titan's A330 acquisition, as Jet2 seem to have a good working relationship with Titan. It is feasible.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 22:18
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Roster Disruption continues at J2 unabated

For anybody thinking of joining us, think very carefully before you decide. There are many more much 'Pilot Friendlier' airlines out there.

Roster disruption is endemic at Jet2. It always has been and it looks as though it always will be. The company says it's the same with other companies , maybe so but not to the extent it is at J2.

Asking around at the moment as to why people are leaving and the most popular answers are, Roster Stability and the managements ludicrous decision recently to make all simulator stand in duties assessable.

Previously, simulator stand in duties were viewed as valuable extra simulator exposure in between your own LPC/OPC which would be rostered twice a year. I gather with some other companies, simulator stand in is voluntary and you are actually asked if you would be prepared to stand in.
Not at J2, somebody who is rostered for simulator stand in, is in as much jeopardy as the person on check. Some people are getting 2 or 3 stand ins per month. It is particularly stressful for Senior F/Os who , getting near to command previously needed to work towards good sim grades twice a year. Now they have a potential 'Career buster' maybe 2 or 3 times a month !

It's becoming such a sensitive issue that crewing are keeping sim stand ins from the rosters and calling you from home standby at the very last minute to cut down on 'sickness'
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 22:27
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Really? Absolutely not an issue if you're a competent professional.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 00:21
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My latest stand in is 14 days notice though I do get more than my fare share, in my opinion.

At my previous operator double jepoardy applied. Is it not a CAA requirements anyway?
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 02:29
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the managements ludicrous decision recently to make all simulator stand in duties assessable.
Stand in always was and will be double jeopardy. As a stand in during an LPC or OPC you are not required to do much except operate competently as PM for the vast majority of the time, if you can't cope with that then maybe you should be taking a look at your professional attitude.

If, as I suspect, you are referring to LOE's then these are just like doing a Line Check when it is your FO or Captain who is on check, effectively you are on check too, again all that is required is a competent level of performance, just like it should be on any day of the week.

As for the number of Stand Ins that you are rostered, have you spoken to Crew Planning, your Base Captain, or the relevant Manager to try to resolve the "issue"?
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 07:21
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So you want a roster that tells you in advance that on xx day you will have an engine failure for real........its a bit like driving home p****d and telling the police that if you knew you'd be stopped you wouldn't have had that extra pint!! and this from a company that likes to boast that its recruitment/HR depart is the best in the business, if you fly everyday as though it were a line check it becomes second nature.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 08:53
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At my outfit we call it sandbagging. If you're near to a sim and on standby then you can get called in. I bumped into someone the other day and he told me his mate was called in twice last month to sandbag.

Each training event you do raises a training report. However I don't think a training report is raised if you are the sandbag but I do know that if you mess up then you will be treated in the same way as if you were on your LPC OPC LOE. It is however not voluntary. You are required to do it exactly the same as any other duty.

I can imagine this is more common for the LBA based guys with the sim being just down the road? At our bases with the sims it is much more common.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 09:36
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Roster stability.

The sim stand in with 14 days notice I mentioned above is only my third change in 3 months, that is hardly traumatic amount of changes is it?

The only thing he that count on your roster are days off, for the other days Jet2 own you. If you want their money then do as they command.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 12:30
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Stand ins have never been 'no jeopardy' the only thing that's changed is the report writing at the end as far as I'm aware. As for them not showing on ones roster I have one rostered for the end of September so that can't be right. Disruption seems to affect some more than others. I've obviously got off lightly from the sound of it. This summer I've hardly had any changes.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 18:34
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Oh no, another roster change!

Stand in sim has been taken off me, how will I cope.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 18:40
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Win a Trip to Boeing, Seattle, USA - & Jet2holidays

RE the new aircraft, the PR team have put together what they call a 'once in a lifetime' trip to Seattle to see it, including return flights, spending money and 3 nights in the city, aswell as a holiday to Tenerife. And a trip to Boeing’s Museum of Flight for the official unveiling of the frame and ceremonial signing event.

The first aircraft is 'officially' unveiled at a press event on Monday 12th September.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 18:46
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Shame we can't enter......
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 20:13
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Seattle wonderful part of the world, been there many times when I was working, went to Seattle for a short holiday in July I did a trip around the Boeing factory, very poor, no cameras allowed not even on the flightline In contrast Boeing Museum of Flight,wonderful,would urge any one on a visit to Seattle to go there
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 20:18
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Any idea what happened to B733 G-GDFB at Tenerife? Hasn't moved from last night after coming in from Belfast.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 20:22
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It appears that the Manch 757 stby set off to rescue the customers earlier today.

It arrived at Belfast at half nine this evening.

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Old 30th Aug 2016, 00:22
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First of the new 737-8MGs complete and awaiting paint out on the flight line -

Any ideas on what the registration of this one will be?
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