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Old 15th Jul 2016, 12:23
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Cardiff has to be high on their list now that they have pushed further south.
The bucket and spade market is huge in Wales, with most opting for BRS or BHX due to the limited availability out of CWL.
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 15:14
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That's what I have heard too, it's the holiday side of the business that is the driver. Cardiff and Norwich also.

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Old 15th Jul 2016, 17:25
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That's what i heard ages ago, from a Jet2 employee too ! CWL was the rumoured airport along with BHX, so if there are spare aircraft to go around, count CWL in. As stated above the bucket and spade market is pretty large in Wales and will also be able to bring in passengers from the BRS catchment.

I did also hear NWI but maybe SOU instead ? Remains to be seen. Out of curiosity how many aircraft do LS now have spare for S17 including the new ones from the Boeing order ?
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Old 15th Jul 2016, 19:06
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Where did you 'hear' all this from?
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 09:11
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with most opting for BRS or BHX due to the limited availability out of CWL
So, if people from Cardiff are going to opt for BHX, then why would LS move down to CWL? These decisions aren't taken lightly - it took alot of persuasion from BHX to attract LS in the first place. BHX was a big jump, especially onto routes already served by other airlines. The strategy is to open a new base every 2-4 years so we'll certainly not see anything for S17.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 09:13
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Originally Posted by WindSheer View Post
Cardiff has to be high on their list now that they have pushed further south.
The bucket and spade market is huge in Wales, with most opting for BRS or BHX due to the limited availability out of CWL.
I could contest as to whether the market in South Wales is huge. A web search tells me that the Welsh population is just over 3m, of which 60% (1.8m) live in the South Wales "rust belt" between Newport and Swansea. By contrast the West Midlands has a population a little over 5.5m.

Surely Cardiff is under served in the bucket and spade market, but we shouldn't get carried away.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 11:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
I could contest as to whether the market in South Wales is huge. A web search tells me that the Welsh population is just over 3m, of which 60% (1.8m) live in the South Wales "rust belt" between Newport and Swansea. By contrast the West Midlands has a population a little over 5.5m.

Surely Cardiff is under served in the bucket and spade market, but we shouldn't get carried away.
Other carriers have tried and failed to make Cardiff profitable. Jet2.com isn't a charity, there's got to be profit in it to make the investment there.
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Old 16th Jul 2016, 12:42
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I'm not entirely convinced that Jet2 would go to CWL, however I don't think it should be completely dismissed. Who knows in this industry?

CWL is known at being profitable for Airlines during the summer. It's the winter months that are the issue. WW stated they were profitable during the summer, albeit over 6 years ago now.
WW operate daily, sometime double daily PMI, ALC and AGP. IBZ, MAH, MJV, FAO all served and currently still under served from CWL.
Further afield FR don't seem to making too much of their TFS, now twice weekly service.
ACE, FUE, LPA Cyprus and Greece would be good options.
I would say Jet2 may favour BRS over CWL. They had no issues in getting into BHX with all the competition there. BRS has a much bigger and wealthier catchment area. The only issue would be BRS is more or less operating at parking capacity. I can't see there being enough stands for based aircraft, given that there's now talk of a 14th based Easyjet aircraft.

CWL has taken a dive within the past 5-8 years but things are picking up since the government takeover. Maybe Jet2 could benefit in some of that support? I've no doubt Airlines have lost confidence in CWL, especially with uncertainty in the Welsh economy. On a plus note Vueling are continuing to grow slowly.

Other carriers have tried and failed to make Cardiff profitable. Jet2.com isn't a charity, there's got to be profit in it to make the investment there
CWL has had bad luck with the carriers it's had.
WW had bigger problems than just at CWL.
BE were more domestic, but have now returned.
The other failed carriers were mainly Long Haul. TOM favoured BRS with FCA merger,
Zoom went bust, Globespan went bust, XL Airways went bust - but all were doing fine at CWL. Zoom were slowly growing, globespan went busy before the flights started and XL Airways had operated 747's and then onto A330's to SFB.
Then CWL felt the effects of others consolidating. FCA and TOM, MYT and TCX, Goldtrail, Holidays4u going bust.

So although I don't think CWL will be a massive earner for any Airline I don't think the bucket and spade market is a doomed failure. It would provide a footfall to provide competition to FR and EZY in BRS, as well as TOM and TCX in both Airports. It could be an easy ticket into the Southwest
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 17:37
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Does anybody know the delivery schedule for the B738? The company has promised that the four aircraft based at BHX will all be brand new.
http://www.jet2.com/News/Jet2_com_an...ngham_Airport/
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 17:44
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First one is due in September according to Jethro
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Old 21st Jul 2016, 17:44
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The base may start with 4x Brand new 738s but like everywhere else they will swap over in time with other 738s
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Old 25th Jul 2016, 17:03
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http://http://www.jet2.com/News/Lifetime_Ban_and_12000_Bill_for_Divert_Passenger/?utm_campaign=AvGeek+Weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_source=AvGe ek_Weekly_94


£12,000 bill for disruptive pax
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Old 25th Jul 2016, 18:26
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Good on Jet2.

Hopefully they get all the money that man now owes them, but I'm sure there will be a lawyer waiting to ensure he doesn't pay a penny.
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Old 25th Jul 2016, 18:31
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Good on them. Well done.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 13:58
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Does anybody know the delivery schedule for the B738?
There doesn’t appear to be any evidence of any new B738NG deliveries for J2 in September. Planespotters.net is a good source for this information but probably not the only one. Looking at the “Data Centre” in their web site and specifically at the “Production Lists” for “Boeing 737 Next-Generation” pages 118; 119; 120 and 121, there is no mention of any NG aircraft being scheduled for JET2.

Bearing in mind that Boeing produce about 40 new Boeing 737NGs every month and counting from the end of deliveries in June 2016 on page 118, JET2’s first scheduled deliveries should appear on page 120 if they are to be delivered in September 2016.

However there is an oddity on pages 120 and 121 in that Ryanair have 22 aircraft scheduled for delivery in September 2016. Looking at past deliveries to Ryanair for previous autumns, their deliveries of new NGs are not unusual for September and October but normally for about 4 aircraft. It wouldn’t make any sense for Ryanair to take delivery of so many new aircraft (22) all at once and at the start of the low season.

Perhaps this list of production/delivery of NGs for Ryanair has been delayed on request from RYR and agreed by Boeing, which would benefit the delivery of the new aircraft to JET2 and probably other airlines in September, October and beyond.

Planespotters.net are quite quick on updates, so perhaps as soon as Boeing advise the changes, if there are any, their page 120 of the Production Lists of the Boeing 737 NG type will be amended.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 14:07
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Planespotters is usually NOT up to date, in general it's quite a poor source.


First delivery is still set for September: Boeing 737-8MG 63144/6065
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 17:03
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Yes it's there now on page 119. Thank you.
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 09:17
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Does anybody know the delivery schedule for the B738?
So far, 01 - Sep, 02 - Oct and 02 - Nov 2016

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Old 28th Jul 2016, 19:07
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With the deliveries due to start in the not too distant future, and the serials for the first five released, what do we think LS will decide to start reging them under? Do we think they'll continue under the JZH* sequence, or start another?
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Old 28th Jul 2016, 21:11
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However there is an oddity on pages 120 and 121 in that Ryanair have 22 aircraft scheduled for delivery in September 2016. Looking at past deliveries to Ryanair for previous autumns, their deliveries of new NGs are not unusual for September and October but normally for about 4 aircraft. It wouldn’t make any sense for Ryanair to take delivery of so many new aircraft (22) all at once and at the start of the low season.
I think you're reading the site wrong. It doesn't show 22 Ryanair aircraft due for delivery in September 2016. It just shows the next 22 Ryanair aircraft, there's no dates or line numbers specified so you've put two and two together to make five.

Planespotters is usually NOT up to date, in general it's quite a poor source.
Each to their own opinion but I've always quite liked the site, far better than Airfleets etc.
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