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Old 21st Jun 2015, 10:42
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Useful extra capacity so long as they are not plagued by tech issues, who will they lease it from?
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 13:05
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No idea on that front.. I believe that is now ID's job.

Of course nothing is set in stone until an official announcement is made and the aircraft are there on the Tarmac..
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 08:18
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Where are these pilots leaving to go, i know FR are recruiting heavily, but things can't be that dire in J2 ?
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 10:20
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...but things can't be that dire in J2...
Yes, they are!
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 12:12
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Both BA and U2 are now taking on NTR direct entry pilots (U2 is taking NTR DEC - on a self sponsored basis). LS have not had to resort to NTR so there can't be a shortage of people applying to LS.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 12:55
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Thanks for the insight there I had no idea how bad it was. I just wonder for those going to BA, no matter how many roster changes you get surely that can't be worse than commuting forever to work out of LHR. Is is guys who have local home bases or guys who are commuting who are moving on? Maybe they're thinking that if they're going to commute forever, they may as well do it for someone else.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 13:22
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Originally Posted by mockingjay View Post
Thanks for the insight there I had no idea how bad it was. I just wonder for those going to BA, no matter how many roster changes you get surely that can't be worse than commuting forever to work out of LHR. Is is guys who have local home bases or guys who are commuting who are moving on? Maybe they're thinking that if they're going to commute forever, they may as well do it for someone else.
Those leaving are from all over the LS network. They're generally leaving for an airline where they can be fairly certain they've got career prospects, no matter how long it takes to move up the seniority ladder.
There's also the better pay & conditions, the confidence that the airline will be around in 5/10/15 years time...

The head in the sand mentality in leeds is rather galling... they need to face up to the fact that despite hating their pilot/cabin crew workforce, without us, the company doesn't work. Even small gestures such as an effective staff travel system would go a long way to regaining goodwill.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 20:47
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Yea I joined LS last year and well... Returned to my previous employer. I hope the mentality (especially in GLA) improves. I know guys who transferred from GLA to other LS bases and they said it was like working for a different company. I think the guys on the line are a great bunch of people and well it was a pleasure flying with them even if it was for only a year and a half. Jet2 has its positives and like everywhere its minuses. I think at the top it needs a new face and new way of thinking and more importantly a new and fairer way of reacting to certain situations. Lowering HR's power would be a good start. Though to be fair that's the way of the world now in most companies!

As for the aircraft order... http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Jet2.com
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 19:17
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Even small gestures such as an effective staff travel system would go a long way to regaining goodwill.
And payscales to compensate loyalty would go an even longer way and would help to reduce training costs. The company cannot buy loyalty but it can be stimulated and maintained in many imaginative ways without any extra costs and the benefits to the business would be immense.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 20:21
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Pay scales would surely have to be a cost? They cannot be waved away as anything other than just that.

Whether or not they could be covered by the theoretical lowering of training cost, they're still a cost - and impossible to quantify, as you never know 100% how many people intended to move on at any given point in time.

However, I agree on your sentiment. Many things cost little, but are sometimes just not part of a given culture.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 20:28
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You could always slash the budget of the revolving door that is the human remains department. Their policies push out more pilots than anything else. Pilots get a payrise and more decide to stay. Win win really.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 23:48
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Added to which Norwegian have a net requirement of 350+ pilots for the 738 fleet in 2016 alone + retirements and people moving to the 787 plus 4 new 787-9 airframes next year.

New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7

I can't see 70% contracts, half pay in training,no crew food, lack of staff travel being sustainable, if Ryanair have had to up their game on T&C's and they have, then Jet2 are deluding themselves if they think they have a USP in the employment market, they do of course, its called their HR department, time PM went in there and sacked the lot of them.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 23:57
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Alot of management confuse 'Cost' and 'Value'.

Simple and modest improvements in terms and conditions should be viewed as an investment in a business of J2's size. It is now in the billion pound turnover area, seemingly with some growing up to do.

Few seem to be moaning about money (more is always welcome though), it's more about rostering issues, health care, staff travel and unpleasant employee relations.

Staff turnover fuels more staff turnover, as more leave rosters become more fragile, leading to more leaving. Some imagination and fresh thinking is required to break the cycle.
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Old 24th Jun 2015, 07:50
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In the UK the revolving door for 737 drivers is fairly limited to FR, DY/ & J2 the people who join J2 are in the main doing so to be closer to where they live, the same with the many Captains joining FR this year, DY/ have not recruited in 2015 and for now can only offer LGW and even that is very unlikely for new starters in either seat.

People leaving any of the above for BA is a + career move, anything else is shuffling the cards
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Old 24th Jun 2015, 14:52
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New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7 .
Is the BHX base happening then?
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Old 25th Jun 2015, 10:56
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I think LNIDA was talking about Norwegian.
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 02:24
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Originally Posted by Jet2_320 View Post
I think LNIDA was, Jet2 wouldn't have the serviceable aircraft and crew to do it.

The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...
Given that most of the 73 guys are bashing the 100 in 28 days, combined with only two days off between runs of duty, there's not much in the way of days off to be bought...
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 07:56
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The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 08:10
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Originally Posted by nonfrequentflyer_NCL View Post
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?
AOG= Aircraft on ground. Or if you prefer broken, not fit for flight. Ominous that this seems to occur more than usual when crews are working their socks off.....
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Old 26th Jun 2015, 08:17
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Hooded - thank you.

Yet again, sounds like us lads and our Ambulances, "Control - our ambo has developed a fault - need to take it off the road", after 4 days of 14 hour shifts and one break per shift........
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