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Old 16th Jun 2015, 23:22
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Jet2 recently featured in an analysts report on the seasonal nature of the airline business, Jet2 were listed No 1 world wide for seasonality i.e. the difference between their peak program and low season program, that does not support a significant order, with fuel cheaper than Harrogate spring water i expect the old girls will see a further extension to their service life..
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Council Van
Months of rumours, and it appears they were just rumours. Full glass cockpit conversion for some 737, 300 and 757, futher 737,800s to pitch up.

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Any reliable source? PPJN were spouting about Airbus only a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 17th Jun 2015, 00:34
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Ex EK A332's (Florida/Mexico) and/or ex BA 763's (Sardine can to Magaluf) I'm telling ya Jet2 listen to me!

But I thank you all for your kind words, thought I'd lighten the mood a bit, would be wonderful to see a fleet of Tu204's based in the north of England. It's quite interesting how much of a good fit for 733/752 replacements they are actually, if only it was the Boeing Tu204.

If the glass cockpit thing is true it'll be semi-good news, won't have the same feel in the cockpit but if it keeps the old girls in the air 5-10 more years I'm all for it. I hope all the 757's get done
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Old 17th Jun 2015, 02:30
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Glass cockpit upgrades have been on the cards and rumoured for a long time, this IMHO does not change the plans for fleet renewal, the aircraft are just being invested in one last time to make them compliant with EASA regulations. The some -300's and some 757's will see another 6-8 years service.

Remember, it will take time for Boeing or Airbus to deliver aircraft, the existing fleet needs to continue operating during this period. I have no doubt that Jet2 have been in talks with both parties for a long time and will not announce or sign anything, until the deal is 100% in the best long term interests of the airline.

More -800's, for sure, they will keep expanding in a cautious way, as they have done over the last 5 years or so.

A330/'s I have no doubt, will appear for next summer, the demand is there, but long haul is a long way off IMHO.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 09:04
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Why would an airline that's still buying second hand 737-800's be about to convert to Airbus? Nonsense
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 12:41
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Anybody know what's going down to Palma on the 06.40 Friday as I will be on it. When booked it was to be 330 now I presume 767, any ideas which one. Thanks in anticipation.


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Old 18th Jun 2015, 13:00
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Privilege...

Bad news Mr Mac - if it's the 06:40 it will be the Privilege 757. The flying that was planned for the A330 seems to be split across a 757 and a 737, so you often see two departures a day to the same place now.

If will be J2 CC, but the FD are Privilege, and the interior is obviously not the J2 fit.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 13:42
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LS831/832 tomorrow are on a Jet2 757, it's easy to pick out the Privilege 757 vs a Jet2 one by the seat maps.

Priviledge has 37 rows with Row 18/19 being the over-wing exit rows.
Jet2 has 42 rows with 33A/33F being adjacent to the aft-wing exits.
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 15:40
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Nope.

LS831/832 tomorrow are on a Jet2 757, it's easy to pick out the Privilege 757 vs a Jet2 one by the seat maps.
Nope. LS831 tomorrow is currently scheduled on E-CISY - not a Jet2.com aircraft.

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Old 18th Jun 2015, 16:19
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Ah apologies, I'd clicked through to Saturdays 832. Hopefully my own flights on 831/832 in September will stay on Jet2 metal!
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Old 18th Jun 2015, 22:17
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Oh well its only 2.5 hrs with luck! Thanks for the up dates, even with the less than Rosy news.


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Old 19th Jun 2015, 15:47
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Paris announcement

So was this just guff or has something gone wrong?
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 16:24
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Well, Airbus were talking at Paris about having to open a new line for narrow-body production, which doesn't sound like a buyers market for A.320's.

There seems to be a bit of a gap between A.330 and A.330NEO, so there might be an opportunity to get a good deal on the last few Classics so Airbus can maintain the line, but I suspect it was actually all guff to start with (and anybody who knows won't be telling here!).
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 20:37
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I can see why J2 might be motivated to switch from Boeing to Airbus with crew savings from mixed fleet operation 757/737/8 but that would require a fleet plan for A319/320 -A330 doable and its where Titan seem to be heading, but mail is still a nice little earner, are there any converted Airbus narrow body freighters?

There is now a steady supply of mid life 738's coming to the market and whilst not new, neither are the costs that go with them.

If they introduced the A330 then that would be a huge leap on the 757 and you need to use the range LBA -TFS -LBA or AGP wouldn't make sense, you couldn't fill it on the number of occasion you would need to do to cover the costs, its a long-haul aircraft, it hasn't really worked for Air Berlin, buy a couple of 330 on the used market and get it wrong and it could easily destroy J2 profitability, look at the damage that the introduction of brand new 787's have done to Norwegians profitability and they have a feeder network and huge market presence in their home market of Scandinavia.

Titan are a very different business and don't need to fly their aircraft day in day out they don't have to fill aircraft or profitably sell seats , ACIM is their business and they know it well.

So unless there is news to the contrary i don't see it, if they go with the A330 it will please spotters, not accountants or shareholders, if its about driving J2Holidays.com, then they could do a lot worse than buying long haul capacity from other operators or dedicated charters, if its good enough for Tui & Thomas Cook to use 3rd party airlines then it must make sense for J2
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 21:33
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Both A320 and B738 pax to cargo conversions launched at Paris.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 22:26
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As said before, all these new aicraft order rumours are completely rubbish, it clashes with everything in their business model and what they have done so far in the past 13 years. Period. End of story.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 00:15
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Why is an order of new aircraft rubbish? Why does everyone assume that if jet2 ordered new Airbuses that the 737s would be disposed of? Why does everyone assume a Boeing order would mean Max and not NG? Why does everyone consider the mail a large part of the business?.

Jet2 has evolved and is now being heavily influenced by the holidays division, this is still relatively new and still growing. It may be that one aircraft type is not a good fit for this business (TCX and TOM don't use a single type).

The fact of the matter is Jet2 probably wouldn't be in the position it is today without using pre owned airframes. What is missed is the resource jet2 are putting into looking after these aircraft is considerable. Capital for new airlines is not easy to gain and lease costs for a new or small airline are huge.

I do not know the answers to all of the above questions but an open mind is required not constant droning about how everything is rubbish.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 06:40
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Well was a little dubious about the old bird but I have flown in worse and older A/C around the world. we haad seats 1A & 2A, flight was 20min early into Palma and had a good cew with Spanish fightdeck I think. Was a little reminisant of the early 80,s pushing back from Pier C at Manchester in her, as that was my first airport contract, and with the A/C and building it was like old times ! It will be intresting to see if I end up working on the next phase of their expansion at Man.

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Old 20th Jun 2015, 22:28
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Agree 100% you can't rubbish everything, off course mail is now a small part of the business but it there all the same and probably helps underpin profitability in EDI

The wet lease of a A330 was an interesting concept, would have been interesting to see how it panned out? perhaps next year.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 23:28
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We believe next year will be the year they will wet lease the A330, however I don't think the plan is to ply then on long haul routes. They will be focussed on med destinations where they can max the capacity from MAN..

I believe PM is keen on the Airbus aircraft, but in terms of buying a whole fleet..? Goes against everything they've done so far, and their strategy at the moment seems to be working.
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