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Old 23rd Apr 2015, 18:03
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Come on Leeds Spotter you can do better than that - what utter tosh in that post. As somebody else has said all your comments are completely untrue, e.g. Monarch do not buy aircraft they LEASE them.
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Old 23rd Apr 2015, 20:52
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Really?!? A spotter write something on here, with bizarre and extream confidence, that is complete and utter rubbish about this airline/industry!

Any cancellation at this stage of any of wet/damp lease by the way, will be subject to heavy penalties...and the Dart Group can't afford that or an order of either new type! Guess there are certain things you don't get from Airliner World!

Always a pleasure to see you guys too 'ATIS' - after listening to our management during last summer, long may you prosper...you have a quality' brand!
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 07:00
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Jet2 A320 Announcement

So I hear it's widely rumoured (don't laugh!) that Jet2.com will be making an announcement at the next Paris air show that they are replacing the 733 with the A320. The initial order will be about 20 planes. I believe Norwegian is dumping their A320 options or a portion of at least, and Jet2 are taking them on after seeking finance from Bank of America I believe.

Again like most airlines I do appreciate rumours don't turn fact until you see it with your own eyes.
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 12:46
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Again like most airlines I do appreciate rumours don't turn fact until you see it with your own eyes.
I agree^

A change of type seems really unlikely to an airline like Jet2. I know that EZY did it, but Jet2's business model isn't similar to EZY at all. The A320 replacing the 733 is ridiculous (I know its only a rumour) - Jet2 have already stared replacing them with bigger 738's. The 733's will operate in service until they need to be scrapped, and by that time, Jet2 will have built up a network of enough 738's. I'd expect the oldest 733QC's to be converted into just Cargo, as they come to the end of their lives. The younger ones in the fleet - i.e G-GDFL will stick around for quite a while yet. Operating a mixed fleet is more expensive than running a fleet of the same type and it seems rather pointless operating a 180-seat Airbus, when they could operate a 189-seat Boeing, and have it fit in with the rest of the fleet.

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Old 24th Apr 2015, 13:33
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A change of type seems really unlikely to an airline like Jet2.
It could be done quite simply. The A320NEO does have 189 passengers in a one class layout, so thatís one objection solved. Then JET2 has 7 bases and they are already allocating their three Boeing types to certain bases. The clearest example is Glasgow which is all B738s. It would therefore be possible to allocate new A320NEOs to specific bases and the mixed fleet would not therefore create any major headaches. Further, with the A320NEO being a 189 seater, it could be swapped for a B738 at any time.
One other advantage is the more spacious cockpit of the A320NEO that would delight Sean Dillon. Doubtless if it comes about it probably means the CEO was thinking of him.
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 20:49
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The A320NEO does have 189 passengers in a one class layout, so that’s one objection solved.
If we are increasing capacity, and buying new aircraft, does a logical solution not lie in the 737MAX-8,-9 or especially the 737MAX 200 - an extra 11 seats, and more economic - less fuel consumption, similar parts library...

But anyway, new aircraft are unlikely to Jet2. Maybe when the 737MAX comes out, and the 737NG prices fall, then Jet2 might consider buying new then. But lets hope a new aircraft order comes sooner rather than later.
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 22:35
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Norwegian is dumping their A320 options or a portion of at least, and Jet2 are taking them on after seeking finance from Bank of America I believe.
If the above works out, then the Airbus 320NEO order makes sense. The B738MAX will begin flying in two yearsí time and with a backlog of 3000 orders in the pipeline and a manufaturiung rate of 500 airframes per year, any order today would mean waiting 8+ years for delivery.
JET2 donít have the time to wait if they plan on renewing their 27year+ fleet of B733s and B757s, of which there are about 20. The best they could do as an alternative is to continue to buy/lease second hand 10+ year old B738s.

Incidently my preference would be for Boeing....but needs must.
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 23:55
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Norwegian dumping 320Neo........don't think so

First off Norwegian do not at this stage plan to operate the A320Neo they ordered them (along with a lot of Max's) because the deal was so good, they will go to AAA (Arctic Asset Aviation) they ordered them because in recent years its been the lease companies making a lot of money out of having aircraft that airlines can't get their hands on, that is what AAA is about.

So if Jet2 did go down this path they would be leasing them from AAA

Norwegian plans to restart its growth plans in 2016 and is looking at 25% PA compared with 5% this year. 2016 see 4 x 787-900 delivered in addition to the 8 787-800 now in service, added to which there will be around 25 new build 738's the LGW operation will switch to G reg mid year for both fleets.

I suspect if Jet2 are looking for new build kit they will as an existing Boeing customer play the what will you give us to switch game with Airbus, but this isn't 2001 anymore both companies have huge order backlogs.

The drop in oil price will buy Jet2 a breathing space but likely lead to more economic growth and more orders.

Its worth noting that AAA could equally offer up the 738/MAX for lease, it was at the time Europe's biggest aircraft order
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 10:24
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Well it's all very interesting. Because at a recent management base visit the new DFO (ex-Cp) strongly hinted to the fact the there are A320's on the way. Though the CEO stated Jet2's expansion plans consist of an addition of 4-5 planes to the fleet every year until the fleet reaches about 75 aircraft.

This to me sounds right, as whether it's an SOP change or buying an aeroplane, they have a very slow and cautious attitude to the deduction making process. I feel that's their management style. However this move if true seems to contradict that! Plus considering they don't fly during the winter, how will this change their business model?!
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 11:46
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Interesting times

I have kept myself to myself for quite some time here, which those of you that know me will know that I have found hard given some of the drivel that has been raised by certain forum members, particularly the ones who appear to wish the hand that allegedly feeds them a great ill.

I know that improvements can be made throughout the business, but show me a business where this isn't the case. The "droves" of pilots leaving is hardly a surprise to most of us, after all it is BA that are hoovering up and Jet2 is not alone is losing crew. Some have left for other pastures, I know, but they are few and far between.

Nobody seems to have shown any interest in this bit of news relating to Jet2 and it's relationship with BALPA from last week.

Bird & Bird wins landmark case relating to the scope of collective bargaining with trade unions | Jet2.com

That seems to have cleared up the situation and the Jet2 management involved in this can now concentrate their efforts towards moving the business further forward without the distraction of having to be involved in meetings about court cases etc etc.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 14:01
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You mention the DFO (ex CP). Does this mean that TWE has gone?
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 14:46
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Love to think there'll be some newer aircraft at Jet2 before August. Especially flying out of NCL.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 15:58
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Well PD is DFO and BM is now CP! So yea to TWE is no longer in that position. Deputy DFO is in the process of being filled.

As for BALPA etc. I can't comment on that as I really don't have an opinion. Pluses and minuses on that topic. I would just like to know what the thoughts are on the A320 development.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 20:54
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Mmmmm Not sure that's progress, however TWE gone is a great step in the right direction. About time too IMO.

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Old 26th Apr 2015, 19:49
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Slightly off topic was curios if anyone knows how much longer jet 2 might keep G-CELH it appears to be almost 29 years old but has only recently been fitted with winglets.
Can't imagine it's very cheap to maintain.
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 21:06
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The oldest in the fleet is G-CELP followed by G-CELR and G-CELX. Of the same age as G-CELH, there are also the following: G-CELI, G-CELJ, G-CELS, G-CELW and G-CELZ. Very close behind by a month or so are: G-CELA, G-CELB, G-CELK, G-CELV and G-CELY. This makes a total of 14 aircraft of similar ages.
Earlier posts mention the possibility that the company may be in the process of ordering a number of new aircraft, which perhaps might replace some of the older in the fleet but it will not be immediate. It is rumoured that the announcement of any purchase plans will be made by the company at the Paris Air Show in the month of June.
These older aircraft are probably not that cheap to maintain but on the other hand they were bought outright by JET2 years ago and probably at a good price.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 08:06
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Older 733s

I doubt many of these early 733s will be going too soon. If they are spending money fitting winglets on them, and oil prices don't climb too quickly then they are cheap to operate. No lease costs make a difference. You can't be parking leased jets up in winter like Jet2 do if you have lease costs to pay on top of the parking fees.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 10:48
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Union Court Case

It's interesting that the company should spend so much time (and no doubt money)on court wrangles, rather than simply sitting down and talking to the Union about the pilots rostering concerns. Balpa is not perfect, but as Unions go it is fairly moderate.


From friends at J2 I hear of many pilots leaving, many due to roster disruption. Staff turnover is expensive, and fuels more disruption for those who are left, then large numbers being hired to replace them, many which need full type ratings which places further strain on training costs and more rostering headaches. Ignoring the original problem and paying expensive legal bills is therefore more expensive in the long run?
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 16:59
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G-JZHD (B737-800, ex. EI-RUP) is down in Bournemouth receiving its new Paint work, and is due to be painted into the full Jet2holidays livery - That makes two of each livery in the G-JZH_ fleet. I understand winglets are likely to be fitted, the work to be carried out by LS mechanics in LBA.

G-JZHD Entering Airbourne Colours' Hanger in BOH:


(Image Courtesy of Airbourne Colours on Facebook)
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 17:05
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Spot on Taxi_Driver! If only the clowns running this company would actually show that level of 'experienced' type thinking!

The removal of TWE is great! Still such a long way to go...
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