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This may be the case,but it's only half the picture!,the poor taxiway locations are one major issue,the runway length another!The airports aids( limited ILS cat 1) poor approach Lighting, and Limited opening times all need to be addressed to attract further routes from Easy.,It's difficult to see all this being addressed.
So don't expect much development of Sun routes, especially as Volotea have had ever opportunity to make inroads in this department,but they have not come forward.Airside improvement or if not no real route development.
This may be the case,but it's only half the picture!,the poor taxiway locations are one major issue,the runway length another!The airports aids( limited ILS cat 1) poor approach Lighting, and Limited opening times all need to be addressed to attract further routes from Easy.,It's difficult to see all this being addressed.
So don't expect much development of Sun routes, especially as Volotea have had ever opportunity to make inroads in this department,but they have not come forward.Airside improvement or if not no real route development.
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Looks like Flybe are possibly trying to stop Easy Jet from getting a foot hold on any summer sun routes from Southampton for next summer by putting on sale the first part of there summer schedule up until June today , that's 4 months earlier than ever before
Guess what the E195 is back to operate a full schedule to Malaga , Faro , Palma and Alicante
Malaga is X 4 . Mon , Wed , Fri , Sat
Faro is X 3 . Thu , Sat , Sun
Palma is X 4 . Sat and Sun on the Dash and Tue , Thu on the jet
Alicante is X 6 Daily except Thu
Interesting decision to launch this early even before Bournemouth with Ryanair
Guess what the E195 is back to operate a full schedule to Malaga , Faro , Palma and Alicante
Malaga is X 4 . Mon , Wed , Fri , Sat
Faro is X 3 . Thu , Sat , Sun
Palma is X 4 . Sat and Sun on the Dash and Tue , Thu on the jet
Alicante is X 6 Daily except Thu
Interesting decision to launch this early even before Bournemouth with Ryanair
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So what has happened for these routes to return and with increased frequency, so soon after it was announced they were being dropped before the end of this summer's season? Some flights that were announced as cancelled for October are now reinstated. Only bookable from end of March 18 to June 18 though, not full summer season.
The E195s used on these routes were supposedly off to Stobart.
The E195s used on these routes were supposedly off to Stobart.
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Seems Flybe are ahead of the game for once and released very early their S18 schedule for spring/early summer. Not unusual for an initial release up to June as EZY do the same, only releasing their seats in September. As suggested I would imagine this is an attempt to cut EZY off at the pass as it had been widely expected that Flybe sun routes were being withdrawn. I am unsure as to why winter sun, except Alicante, has been removed when I thought these routes were more than viable and indeed popular! Instead, EZY might dip their toes in the water with the likes of Krakow, Nice, Barcelona, Venice, Naples etc
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I think your being a bit harsh with River Joint,Flybe had no intention of continuing with Summer routes from Southampton in 2018!.The very fact that Airport managerment have the guts to finally give Easy a go this winter has given Flybe a wake-up call,however it remains to be seen it Easy and management want to do business on the sun routes,it's a chance for Southampton to finally make a strong statement.
Let's have hope!
I think your being a bit harsh with River Joint,Flybe had no intention of continuing with Summer routes from Southampton in 2018!.The very fact that Airport managerment have the guts to finally give Easy a go this winter has given Flybe a wake-up call,however it remains to be seen it Easy and management want to do business on the sun routes,it's a chance for Southampton to finally make a strong statement.
Let's have hope!
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If Flybe had released only their Mediterranean flights yesterday then perhaps I could believe that this was a reaction to Easyjet, but looks like they've put their full schedule on sale for their entire operation. On this basis it'd be almost impossible for this to have been a knee jerk reaction to EZY putting GVASOU on sale.
It's also unlikely they'd suddenly pull the schedule out of the bag at short notice when you consider the size of their operation. There's been a change of management so perhaps that brings with it a change of heart when it comes to these routes. Surely it's good news to have these on sale so early rather than the indecision we've seenin previous seasons!
It's also unlikely they'd suddenly pull the schedule out of the bag at short notice when you consider the size of their operation. There's been a change of management so perhaps that brings with it a change of heart when it comes to these routes. Surely it's good news to have these on sale so early rather than the indecision we've seenin previous seasons!
all this talk (pub talk? 
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they (EZY) have been into SEN past few years but often undersold with payload restrictions and tech stop issues even to places like Palma which is less than 2 hours - I can see SOU being no different on quite a few days of the year (high temps, high winds etc)
I know Air Europa used to, on behalf of Thomson's Hols send in their 737-800's to/from PMI/IBZ but not sure if they were payload limited
the 738 does not have the braking capability of A320's or 757's which as an aside, Thomson, when they replace the 757 with 738's at BRS will find out to their cost on a regular basis
Back to SOU are Easy intending to use the 320Neo? - does this newer version offer better performance for shorter field ops than the baseline versions?
) about easy jet using SOU with A320's they (EZY) have been into SEN past few years but often undersold with payload restrictions and tech stop issues even to places like Palma which is less than 2 hours - I can see SOU being no different on quite a few days of the year (high temps, high winds etc)
I know Air Europa used to, on behalf of Thomson's Hols send in their 737-800's to/from PMI/IBZ but not sure if they were payload limited
the 738 does not have the braking capability of A320's or 757's which as an aside, Thomson, when they replace the 757 with 738's at BRS will find out to their cost on a regular basis
Back to SOU are Easy intending to use the 320Neo? - does this newer version offer better performance for shorter field ops than the baseline versions?
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In my many years of working at SOU airport. The only destination I knew to be restricted on the A320, was TFS where it would fuel stop in Nantes. PMI never seemed to have an issue
Air Europa used to use 733's on their med flights out of SOU. I can only speak of up to 2008.
Shame 757's aren't still a popular choice, these used to fly direct to TFS with no issues.
Air Europa used to use 733's on their med flights out of SOU. I can only speak of up to 2008.
Shame 757's aren't still a popular choice, these used to fly direct to TFS with no issues.
In my many years of working at SOU airport. The only destination I knew to be restricted on the A320, was TFS where it would fuel stop in Nantes. PMI never seemed to have an issue
Air Europa used to use 733's on their med flights out of SOU. I can only speak of up to 2008.
Shame 757's aren't still a popular choice, these used to fly direct to TFS with no issues.
Air Europa used to use 733's on their med flights out of SOU. I can only speak of up to 2008.
Shame 757's aren't still a popular choice, these used to fly direct to TFS with no issues.
just read on the SEN page that the 320neo has a short field option but no idea if EZY is going for that - they have put 6 extra seats in the Neo too - and the 319's are going apparently?
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I think there could be some issues with easy 320s using SOU this winter.
The main concern will be wet runway breaking action! In recent bad weather days Volotea 319s have asked for runway conditions before landing,indeed controllers have offered a measured reading,but so far this has been declined by inbounds due to significant delays.
I believe the runway needs resurfacing,until this is done there could be problems this winter.
I think there could be some issues with easy 320s using SOU this winter.
The main concern will be wet runway breaking action! In recent bad weather days Volotea 319s have asked for runway conditions before landing,indeed controllers have offered a measured reading,but so far this has been declined by inbounds due to significant delays.
I believe the runway needs resurfacing,until this is done there could be problems this winter.
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yes the 757 could get in and out of almost anywhere unrestricted - BTW whose 757's used to op from SOU to TFS?
just read on the SEN page that the 320neo has a short field option but no idea if EZY is going for that - they have put 6 extra seats in the Neo too - and the 319's are going apparently?
just read on the SEN page that the 320neo has a short field option but no idea if EZY is going for that - they have put 6 extra seats in the Neo too - and the 319's are going apparently?
Thanks col
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I think there could be some issues with easy 320s using SOU this winter.
The main concern will be wet runway breaking action! In recent bad weather days Volotea 319s have asked for runway conditions before landing,indeed controllers have offered a measured reading,but so far this has been declined by inbounds due to significant delays.
I believe the runway needs resurfacing,until this is done there could be problems this winter.
I think there could be some issues with easy 320s using SOU this winter.
The main concern will be wet runway breaking action! In recent bad weather days Volotea 319s have asked for runway conditions before landing,indeed controllers have offered a measured reading,but so far this has been declined by inbounds due to significant delays.
I believe the runway needs resurfacing,until this is done there could be problems this winter.
and from the SEN page
The A320neo does offer better airfield performance although I don't know the exact improvement. The PMI-based A320 currently operating SEN-PMI frequently carries a full pax payload in summer conditions so the A320neo could open up more distant destinations.
As far as SOU is concerned its declared distances are very similar to those at SEN although the runway 20 climb path does have obstacle problems. A "15 degree slew" departure procedure is available on 20 but I don't know if easyJet SOPs allow its use.
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CAA June Stats
198,455 passengers were handled in June, up a solid 9% on last year. Overall looking good, not sure if the weekly feeder flights Flybe are doing will last if they stay like this. Usual route analysis below:
Alicante - 101 pax / 86%
Bastia - 59 pax / 76%
Cork - 49 pax / 69%
Dusseldorf - 50 pax / 64%
East Midlands - 19 pax / 24%
Exeter - 12 pax / 15%
Faro - 108 pax / 92%
Ibiza - 118 pax / 94% (Good start! Loads based on all 717?)
Lyon - 44 pax / 57%
Malaga - 106 pax / 90%
Munich - 28 pax / 58% (Seems pretty good considering BMI Regional's overall average load factor, as previously it is calculated based on all flights being E145's)
Paris CDG - 60 pax / 77% (3rd daily service in the near future?)
Perpignan - 59 pax / 75%
Rodez - 12 pax / 25% (oh dear Eastern...)
Verona - 65 pax / 83%
Data from here: https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analy...-data-2017-06/
Alicante - 101 pax / 86%
Bastia - 59 pax / 76%
Cork - 49 pax / 69%
Dusseldorf - 50 pax / 64%
East Midlands - 19 pax / 24%
Exeter - 12 pax / 15%
Faro - 108 pax / 92%
Ibiza - 118 pax / 94% (Good start! Loads based on all 717?)
Lyon - 44 pax / 57%
Malaga - 106 pax / 90%
Munich - 28 pax / 58% (Seems pretty good considering BMI Regional's overall average load factor, as previously it is calculated based on all flights being E145's)
Paris CDG - 60 pax / 77% (3rd daily service in the near future?)
Perpignan - 59 pax / 75%
Rodez - 12 pax / 25% (oh dear Eastern...)
Verona - 65 pax / 83%
Data from here: https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analy...-data-2017-06/
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Hi Adfly, thanks once again for your analysis. Do you know how many PMI flights operated in June? I see the number of pax on that route were down a whopping c30% from June 2016 , would that all be down to the extra capacity provided by the Evelop A320 that operated on behalf of Thomas Cook last year, or do Flybe have less flights this year too? I can't remember, was it 4x717s per week last year, 2 Volotea scheduled and 2 Volotea for Thomson? If that was the case they offer slightly more capacity this year with the A319 on some flights.
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Just had a look and reckon it is the following:
S17:
Flybe - 3 weekly (2x E95 + 1x Q400)
Volotea - 4 weekly (2x 319 + 2x 717)
S16
Evelop! - 1 weekly 320
Flybe - 5 weekly Q400 (I think, not sure when the E195 started last year)
Volotea - 4 weekly 717 (2x Thomson, 2x scheduled)
So it would appear the 30% reduction is passengers corresponds nicely with a 30% reduction in flights!
S17:
Flybe - 3 weekly (2x E95 + 1x Q400)
Volotea - 4 weekly (2x 319 + 2x 717)
S16
Evelop! - 1 weekly 320
Flybe - 5 weekly Q400 (I think, not sure when the E195 started last year)
Volotea - 4 weekly 717 (2x Thomson, 2x scheduled)
So it would appear the 30% reduction is passengers corresponds nicely with a 30% reduction in flights!
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Unless we get some long awaited airside improvements news,I don't think your see easy operating to the Sun routes!.
It's such a shame,there's Southend investing in stands and taxiway upgrades,and what does SOU do?
Answer :very little!
Southampton could easily accerate to 3-4 mill paxs in a very short time given airside development,but sadly this is not happening.
Easy could be driving a rapid advancement in Southampton grouth will positive management thinking!
Unless we get some long awaited airside improvements news,I don't think your see easy operating to the Sun routes!.
It's such a shame,there's Southend investing in stands and taxiway upgrades,and what does SOU do?
Answer :very little!
Southampton could easily accerate to 3-4 mill paxs in a very short time given airside development,but sadly this is not happening.
Easy could be driving a rapid advancement in Southampton grouth will positive management thinking!