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Old 13th Jul 2017, 19:28
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Assume you mean the summer sun routes with the EMB. I'm sure EZY will test the water with GVA over the winter and it wouldn't surprise me if they take on some of Flybe's sun routes next summer along with Volotea as the foot fall is definitely there. As an aside, my family used the Volotea PMI service at the weekend and both outbound/inbound flights were full, bodes well for the future!
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 19:55
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
Assume you mean the summer sun routes with the EMB. I'm sure EZY will test the water with GVA over the winter and it wouldn't surprise me if they take on some of Flybe's sun routes next summer along with Volotea as the foot fall is definitely there. As an aside, my family used the Volotea PMI service at the weekend and both outbound/inbound flights were full, bodes well for the future!
Sorry, yeah I mean the summer sun routes, also read that it's going to be the A320 being used not the A319.
Volotea sounds like it's doing well then, as you say it bodes well for the future and hopefully they will expand into other routes. Was that on the A319 too that it was full?
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 20:01
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A319 both ways
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 13:45
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Southampton Airport handled a British Airways Airbus 319 G-EUUR last night, the inbound Dublin flight diverted to SOU from London Heathrow due to bad weather.

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Old 19th Jul 2017, 18:42
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The A319 was G-EUPN
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 15:12
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Originally Posted by gkmeech View Post
The A319 was G-EUPN
I got the aircrafts registration from the Southampton Airport Yahoo Group so obviously someone has mistakenly taken the wrong registration.
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 17:04
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Indeed....the A319`s big brother A320 G-EUUR diverted to STN as BAW7A.....
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 13:03
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What other routes do you realistically think EZY could commence from SOU? Surely a year round Kraków service has to be tried given the large Polish community in and around the city
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 13:26
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Any of the med routes would be worth taking on surely.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 07:45
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Thinking realistically possible routes with EasyJet from Southampton could be to the following destinations

Alicante
Barcelona
Berlin
Faro
Ibiza
Krakow
Malaga
Milan
Nice
Palma
Prague
Rome

I chose the most obvious ones but I really think that EasyJet would do very well if they decided to expand their future operations at Southampton.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 12:11
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As stated before on this blog,unless there is significant investment airside,i.e stand enlargement/increased stands,taxiway link rw20,and the long overdue 450feet runway extension,then Easy operation from Southampton will be very limited .With over capacity in the London airports,this is the golden moment for Southampton to take a giant step forward,if past performances are anything to go by however I fear little other then cosmetic changes.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 15:46
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I was mentioning possible routes ex SOU from Easyjet from post 1569

I am aware as well as yourself and many others of the shortcomings at SOU but if any significant air side investment was made at the airport and Easyjet set up a base the routes I mentioned could be possible.

Even if the stand situation was sorted out so that stands 1 to 5 were configured into 4 stands capable of handling four Airbus 320's and loosing stand 1 in the process, may this even swing Easyjet round to adding more flights and perhaps a small starting up a small base initially with two aircraft.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 17:29
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If easyJet expand their offering from SOU (and let's not get ahead of ourselves, I'd imagine they'll want to see GVA work first), then I think what they're most likely to do initially is drop flights in from existing bases or operate W-patterns rather than base aircraft at Southampton.
I think this for two reasons, one is the cost and hassle of setting up and maintaining a base, and SOU could only ever be a small one given the constraints on how many aircraft they could nightstop there, therefore it would lack the economies of scale available elsewhere.
The other is productivity. Given that Southampton closes overnight, in the event of delays to the schedule they would run the risk of not getting their based aircraft home at the end of the day and ending up either in BOH, LGW or BRS, and then having to position back the next morning. Added to that, the limited opening hours at SOU may mean that aircraft based there operate less sectors and are tucked up in bed earlier than their counterparts elsewhere, immediately rendering them less profitable.

What I think would work quite well would be a small number of core domestic routes (e.g. EDI, GLA, MAN, NCL, BFS) operating twice daily at breakfast and teatime, with international flights from European bases arriving during the day, say at a frequency of 3-5 per week per base, and then some additional sun flights to the Med arriving and departing in the evening.

Of course this could all be pie in the sky! No matter what happens I agree with everyone who says it's now time for SOU to invest airside and grasp the opportunities that are waiting.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 17:38
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Lads getting carried away with easyjet's announcement, Look at BOH and BHX.

It's unlikely to mean anything significant.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 18:32
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
If easyJet expand their offering from SOU (and let's not get ahead of ourselves, I'd imagine they'll want to see GVA work first), then I think what they're most likely to do initially is drop flights in from existing bases or operate W-patterns rather than base aircraft at Southampton.
I think this for two reasons, one is the cost and hassle of setting up and maintaining a base, and SOU could only ever be a small one given the constraints on how many aircraft they could nightstop there, therefore it would lack the economies of scale available elsewhere.
The other is productivity. Given that Southampton closes overnight, in the event of delays to the schedule they would run the risk of not getting their based aircraft home at the end of the day and ending up either in BOH, LGW or BRS, and then having to position back the next morning. Added to that, the limited opening hours at SOU may mean that aircraft based there operate less sectors and are tucked up in bed earlier than their counterparts elsewhere, immediately rendering them less profitable.

What I think would work quite well would be a small number of core domestic routes (e.g. EDI, GLA, MAN, NCL, BFS) operating twice daily at breakfast and teatime, with international flights from European bases arriving during the day, say at a frequency of 3-5 per week per base, and then some additional sun flights to the Med arriving and departing in the evening.

Of course this could all be pie in the sky! No matter what happens I agree with everyone who says it's now time for SOU to invest airside and grasp the opportunities that are waiting.
Why UK airports already served by Flybe?
Easyjet have several bases such as Berlin Venice and Milan which could provide a service without competing with an existing provider.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 18:45
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Whilst it's good having a few U2 flights per week it's from a Swiss airframe in mid winter just like they operate to other European airports. Whilst Flybe seem to make it up as they go along they really don't know what to do about the sun routes. I've a feeling Voltea would have stepped up more if there was a sound business case. SOU is one of they few airports in the U.K. that don't have connections to BCN or NCE. Only time will tell. I'd much prefer a twice daily LH connection to FRA.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 18:55
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I'm sure Flybe will be left to their domestic network in the medium term but do feel that EZY could step in on the med routes as already mentioned, also Kraków, Nice, Barcelona, Venice and Naples
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 19:39
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Anyone would be foolish to doubt that U2 would not open a base at SOU in a heartbeat if the facilities were in place. SOU is perfectly placed to cater for the capacity that LGW and LHR do not have space for. BE simply charge too much to appeal to the masses, and in the affluent south it is not unusual for people to go on 4/5 holidays a year. U2 would do very well serving all the usual city break destinations and will have the bonus of also catering for cruise passengers (Southampton is the cruise capital of Northern Europe). As a previous poster has pointed out, a polish route would also be a good move. I believe Southampton is 1/8th polish and some of them will go as far as using Luton to fly home cheaply.

BOH invested 45m airside in an attempt to speculate to accumulate. It would be nice if SOU could invest at least half that to make the facilities available for U2 to make what will be an easy decision for them. I am not sure stands 1-5 could handle anything more than 2 A320 sized aircraft at one time. When an aircraft of that size is on those stands it takes up 2 stands. Stand 1 is also awkwardly set back so I believe cannot even handle a q400.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 19:44
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Stand 1 can and does handle Q400s. If the terminal stands were changed from 5 to 4 and each one widened then you would have 4 A320-capable stands.
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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 20:12
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This may be the case,but it's only half the picture!,the poor taxiway locations are one major issue,the runway length another!The airports aids( limited ILS cat 1) poor approach Lighting, and Limited opening times all need to be addressed to attract further routes from Easy.,It's difficult to see all this being addressed.
So don't expect much development of Sun routes, especially as Volotea have had ever opportunity to make inroads in this department,but they have not come forward.Airside improvement or if not no real route development.
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