PLYMOUTH AIRPORT
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I stayed in a hotel in Torquay a couple of weeks ago, and it was the first one in ages that was run by a husband-wife team. He had no similarities with Basil, just a bad toupee - but the wife was just sitting there on the phone going yeeeeees, yeeeeeeeees, yeeeeees - exactly like Sybil.
And the waiter WAS Spanish
Except he came from Santander
And the waiter WAS Spanish
Except he came from Santander
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That seems to be all anyone associates Santander with! For me it was a ferry port long before Abbey got munched, and FR will take you to SDR, but they haven't yet called it Bilbao West.
I think if MOL could re-design the Guggenheim, he'd just shove it all in a B&Q shed!
I think if MOL could re-design the Guggenheim, he'd just shove it all in a B&Q shed!
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Revealed: the top locations in Britain for growth - Telegraph
Plymouth came good,maybe it needs an airport to aid that?
Plymouth came good,maybe it needs an airport to aid that?
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I have just seen VIABLE's plans for the airport, with the new terminal buildings and extention of the runway. Modelled on London City Airport. And they hope airlines like KLM, Air France etc will fly to Europe with Jet aircraft. This is what we have been crying out for for years, and finally we are getting somehwhere when the airport is looking doomed to close.
Really love the plans and it will be a success for sure. Ryanair or Easyjet having a sniff of it and setting up a base = success. As soon as they see a "Fly to Alicante for £29, Direct from Plymouth", the Janners will flock to the airport as will thoose who use Exeter for such "bargins". They will be on it like a rash. It is somehting plymouth lacked and thats competion and proper planes and routes.
Why oh why, does this having to come about when SHH are rubbing there hands at fooling the council into bowing to there comands. Ones which only benfit them, not the city. We needed this type of leadership on the "Pro-airport" side for many years.
But how people in the council can be for closing the airport, i dont know, they must be mad. They really are fools.
I really would love to see these plans coming into force, seeing them become reality, but i fear we never will. And in years to come Plymouth will say "oh we should never have closed the airport" Look at us now poor, run down and sidelined"
Really love the plans and it will be a success for sure. Ryanair or Easyjet having a sniff of it and setting up a base = success. As soon as they see a "Fly to Alicante for £29, Direct from Plymouth", the Janners will flock to the airport as will thoose who use Exeter for such "bargins". They will be on it like a rash. It is somehting plymouth lacked and thats competion and proper planes and routes.
Why oh why, does this having to come about when SHH are rubbing there hands at fooling the council into bowing to there comands. Ones which only benfit them, not the city. We needed this type of leadership on the "Pro-airport" side for many years.
But how people in the council can be for closing the airport, i dont know, they must be mad. They really are fools.
I really would love to see these plans coming into force, seeing them become reality, but i fear we never will. And in years to come Plymouth will say "oh we should never have closed the airport" Look at us now poor, run down and sidelined"
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JSCL, I certainly wouldn't be blinkered enough to say
However, we'll never see easyJet or Ryanair at Plymouth due to runway limitations - but I can certainly see a busy airport in the south-west (which isn't dominated by Flybe) working very well.
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Aero Mad,
Unfortunately what I see is many of the people who have a desire for Plymouth to remain open, people who have history at the airport that is, are allowing their 'loyalty' and 'desires' to blind their judgement on what is realistic.
Viable - isn't. A businessman who rarely used the airport has seen an opportunity and is doing exactly that with Viable. Collecting money, wasting it and also piping some through his own books and playing the 'glory hunter' - that's all I see there. The group will never find itself in a cash position to make their 'desires' happen, period.
I do agree, that the South West can have a busy airport that isn't Flybe dominated. But on it's current site, PLH won't be it! Sure, it could be a nice little airport with lots of prop movements or with runway extension some STOL A/C like the 146/RJ (but even most of them are near retirement!). It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure it's going to happen.
Unfortunately what I see is many of the people who have a desire for Plymouth to remain open, people who have history at the airport that is, are allowing their 'loyalty' and 'desires' to blind their judgement on what is realistic.
Viable - isn't. A businessman who rarely used the airport has seen an opportunity and is doing exactly that with Viable. Collecting money, wasting it and also piping some through his own books and playing the 'glory hunter' - that's all I see there. The group will never find itself in a cash position to make their 'desires' happen, period.
I do agree, that the South West can have a busy airport that isn't Flybe dominated. But on it's current site, PLH won't be it! Sure, it could be a nice little airport with lots of prop movements or with runway extension some STOL A/C like the 146/RJ (but even most of them are near retirement!). It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure it's going to happen.
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WOWBOY,
Have you been smoking something?
Modelled on LCY ... LCY isn't plonked on top of a hill with a pretty much sheer drop not far off the runway threshold.
Easyjet and Ryanair setting up a base? Since when have A319's and/or B737-800's operated in/out of LCY never mind what liveries they may be painted in?
Air France and KLM? They are both the same thing so both operating would be a conflict of interests and the smallest A/C KLM currently operate is a Y80 F70, I can't really see KLM filling 160 or 240 seats in each direction daily ... after all it is KLM's business model to serve feeder airports normally, a minimum of, twice daily.
Nope, the locals won't be flocking to PLH for their "bargins".
Have you been smoking something?
Modelled on LCY ... LCY isn't plonked on top of a hill with a pretty much sheer drop not far off the runway threshold.
Easyjet and Ryanair setting up a base? Since when have A319's and/or B737-800's operated in/out of LCY never mind what liveries they may be painted in?
Air France and KLM? They are both the same thing so both operating would be a conflict of interests and the smallest A/C KLM currently operate is a Y80 F70, I can't really see KLM filling 160 or 240 seats in each direction daily ... after all it is KLM's business model to serve feeder airports normally, a minimum of, twice daily.
Nope, the locals won't be flocking to PLH for their "bargins".
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Phileas, I think you go somewhat too far the other way here. Viable have talked to Air France/KLM and made some sort of deal that if they could keep the airport open, they would start flights there. A non-dominated SW airport could do very well, especially one which isn't in the middle of nowhere like Newquay. The fact that it is on a hill isn't really important as geographically there is nothing stopping it from having a runway as long as LCY's.
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I highly doubt a deal has been made in the matter of a few weeks between an airport and an airline.
Their post on their site also goes on to mention Lufthansa and other named airlines, I highly doubt there are deals and more name dropping than anything. It's a talking shop and nothing more. The point that's being missed it, Viable have to prove it can be viable as an airport and they're doing the complete opposite right now, practically confirming its non-viability (I think it is Viable - just not with these daft proposals). Look at Aberdeen, small rway extension and improved technology cost £10m. These plans for PLH will easily run in to £25m+ - it's not going to happen.
Their post on their site also goes on to mention Lufthansa and other named airlines, I highly doubt there are deals and more name dropping than anything. It's a talking shop and nothing more. The point that's being missed it, Viable have to prove it can be viable as an airport and they're doing the complete opposite right now, practically confirming its non-viability (I think it is Viable - just not with these daft proposals). Look at Aberdeen, small rway extension and improved technology cost £10m. These plans for PLH will easily run in to £25m+ - it's not going to happen.
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Aero Mad,
Keeping the airport open may be one thing ... trying to operate, quote, "jets" in and out of there is something quite different.
That said, back in the day, 'we' did get jet movements thru PLH ... they had "Royal Navy" printed on the side of them!
About the largest thing in/out of PLH is an ATR42/72, AF might have access to some of these but KLM do not operate any turbo-prop aircraft and a Fokker 70 certainly ain't operating thru PLH anytime soon.
And just look at how AF & KL have committed to EXT, that can take jets, KL are nowhere to be seen and FlyBe operate a thrice weekly, not thrice daily, AF codeshare to/from, of all places, ORY.
Does Southway housing estate fall under the category "geographically"? PLH might be able for a marginmal extension but that is it, marginal and still many an aircraft type will be opting, based on performance, for EXT and NQY.
Keeping the airport open may be one thing ... trying to operate, quote, "jets" in and out of there is something quite different.
That said, back in the day, 'we' did get jet movements thru PLH ... they had "Royal Navy" printed on the side of them!
About the largest thing in/out of PLH is an ATR42/72, AF might have access to some of these but KLM do not operate any turbo-prop aircraft and a Fokker 70 certainly ain't operating thru PLH anytime soon.
And just look at how AF & KL have committed to EXT, that can take jets, KL are nowhere to be seen and FlyBe operate a thrice weekly, not thrice daily, AF codeshare to/from, of all places, ORY.
Does Southway housing estate fall under the category "geographically"? PLH might be able for a marginmal extension but that is it, marginal and still many an aircraft type will be opting, based on performance, for EXT and NQY.
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Hey Foggy! I had wondered whether you were int'hills or ont'beach.
Lufthansa have no reason to serve PLH, they have a seasonal flight out of NQY and EXT, that'll do for them. (their own words).
Lufthansa have no reason to serve PLH, they have a seasonal flight out of NQY and EXT, that'll do for them. (their own words).
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JSCL,
Yep, this island has a 1,270m runway, darn high temperatures, no aviation fuel, aircraft need to tanker fuel in, and the airport sees 2 x ATR72's per week and watching the ATR72 take-off the other week there weren't much runway left!
I'm really looking forward to my ATR72 flight on Friday.
Yep, this island has a 1,270m runway, darn high temperatures, no aviation fuel, aircraft need to tanker fuel in, and the airport sees 2 x ATR72's per week and watching the ATR72 take-off the other week there weren't much runway left!
I'm really looking forward to my ATR72 flight on Friday.