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Phuket, Calgary, Vancouver, Las Vegas, for charters spring to mind too.
Unfortunately far too many on here talking about short term.The runway extension is here forever and its mainly built for medium,long term so who knows what will happen in the future.
Im not going to comment any more on this topic, the gloomers will carry on bashing BHX whatever,,carry on without me.
Nigel
Phuket, Calgary, Vancouver, Las Vegas, for charters spring to mind too.
Unfortunately far too many on here talking about short term.The runway extension is here forever and its mainly built for medium,long term so who knows what will happen in the future.
Im not going to comment any more on this topic, the gloomers will carry on bashing BHX whatever,,carry on without me.
Nigel
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! I'm sure the airport would have welcomed an SQ flight (First I guess). It would even be a good advert for the airport and I'm sure if they knew about it sooner they would have turned away the LTN & STN diversions and let them go to EMA. But it didn't happen and that's the price BHX has paid for a tarmac full of FR planes.
Did FR use airbridges? I thought they always used their own stairs to reduce handling charges!
Did FR use airbridges? I thought they always used their own stairs to reduce handling charges!
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I was absolutely flabbergasted when the SQ chose EMA this morning then I realised that the optimum stands had been stuffed with FR machines.
The price that you have to pay for pandering to FR, no doubt.
Is it true that FR are not paying for using BHX as a parking lot? If so, there is something seriously wrong with the decision making at Brum.
David
The price that you have to pay for pandering to FR, no doubt.
Is it true that FR are not paying for using BHX as a parking lot? If so, there is something seriously wrong with the decision making at Brum.
David
Crewmeal
But, the Ryanair fleet is paying BHX day in day out for parking - we don't know at what rate, but I would imagine the cumulative revenue earned over a month might come to slight more than Singapore would have paid for a "splash and dash" exercise. As for an advert, are Midlands Today or Central News going to cover a diverting 777, unless it ran off the end of the runway? I think not!
However inconvenient the commercial deal between BHX and Ryanair might seem to be when there's an interesting movement that can't be accepted as a result the airport is a business which (should) make decisions for sound financial reasons, not for sentimental ones.
the price BHX has paid for a tarmac full of FR planes.
However inconvenient the commercial deal between BHX and Ryanair might seem to be when there's an interesting movement that can't be accepted as a result the airport is a business which (should) make decisions for sound financial reasons, not for sentimental ones.
Laasjet
Who knows, but I actually doubt it very much. Nobody with any sense that does is going to post the answer on this or any other public forum!
Is it true that FR are not paying for using BHX as a parking lot
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So we can take as official that FR are paying something for parking?
Do you know or is conjecture? I am sure that many of us at BHX are more than a little interested.
David
So we can take as official that FR are paying something for parking?
Do you know or is conjecture? I am sure that many of us at BHX are more than a little interested.
David
Laasjet
Absolutely not. I have no connection with BHX management, or for that matter Ryanair and apart from parties involved in the appropriate departments in either organisation, nobody should know.
However BHX is a business, with shareholders that require a return on their investment. BHX makes a profit, and it would seem more than slightly surprising if they were doing so by giving away freebies left right and centre.
So we can take as official that FR are paying something for parking
However BHX is a business, with shareholders that require a return on their investment. BHX makes a profit, and it would seem more than slightly surprising if they were doing so by giving away freebies left right and centre.
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New Germanwings available to customers from July 2013 - Business Traveller
Not good news for BHX going by GDS at present. The increase to the A320 on Berlin has turned full circle with a capacity cut for next summer.
It remains daily but back to the A319 in the week and the weekend is on the CRJ9, not just surprising as it is a cut in capacity but they don't have CRJ9's based in Berlin at the moment.
Hamburg is still showing a cut from last summer - just six a week CRJ9.
Hopefully early days and plenty of time to change.
At least Frankfurt at present is seeing more A320's and A321's.
Pete
update - getting A320's as well from Lufthansa so still a chance
Germanwings takes over nearly 30 Lufthansa A320s
Not good news for BHX going by GDS at present. The increase to the A320 on Berlin has turned full circle with a capacity cut for next summer.
It remains daily but back to the A319 in the week and the weekend is on the CRJ9, not just surprising as it is a cut in capacity but they don't have CRJ9's based in Berlin at the moment.
Hamburg is still showing a cut from last summer - just six a week CRJ9.
Hopefully early days and plenty of time to change.
At least Frankfurt at present is seeing more A320's and A321's.
Pete
update - getting A320's as well from Lufthansa so still a chance
Germanwings takes over nearly 30 Lufthansa A320s
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Heathrow Airways
BA had the perfect opportunity to do what LH has done when they owned Go Fly.
GO offered a reasonable standard product, and could have been deployed at airports like Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh to offer point to point services to leisure and business destinations in Europe, using effectively a 3-class config.
BA unfortunately cannot see further than the end of 28L, and the result is that a UK owned airline has abdicated business from outside London to European and Middle Eastern carriers - much in the way that UK manufacturing has largely been outsourced to China and India.
The result is the economy we are enduring today.
GO offered a reasonable standard product, and could have been deployed at airports like Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh to offer point to point services to leisure and business destinations in Europe, using effectively a 3-class config.
BA unfortunately cannot see further than the end of 28L, and the result is that a UK owned airline has abdicated business from outside London to European and Middle Eastern carriers - much in the way that UK manufacturing has largely been outsourced to China and India.
The result is the economy we are enduring today.
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Odd then that BA uplifted 389,000 passsengers between UK regions and their hub in October, compared to 184,000 for the MEB3 in the same month.
BA start a 4 x daily service between Leeds and Heathrow this weekend. That will give them 7 regional spokes into LHR vs 4 departure points covered by the MEB3. BA provide coverage in N.I. and Yorkshir, unlike the middle east carriers
Odd also that the supposed poster boy for "regionalisation" - Lufthansa, announced this week that they would be making a swaithe of cost cutting measures on their long-haul business. They explicitly blamed competition from the gulf carriers and reiterated their claims of unfair competition from govt funded airport development in the middle east.
Whether they are right or wrong on this matter, the fact remains that the dual or multi-hub strategy they have in Germany has not so far proved a defence against Emirates and the others.
BA start a 4 x daily service between Leeds and Heathrow this weekend. That will give them 7 regional spokes into LHR vs 4 departure points covered by the MEB3. BA provide coverage in N.I. and Yorkshir, unlike the middle east carriers
Odd also that the supposed poster boy for "regionalisation" - Lufthansa, announced this week that they would be making a swaithe of cost cutting measures on their long-haul business. They explicitly blamed competition from the gulf carriers and reiterated their claims of unfair competition from govt funded airport development in the middle east.
Whether they are right or wrong on this matter, the fact remains that the dual or multi-hub strategy they have in Germany has not so far proved a defence against Emirates and the others.
North West
Come on, I am aware that there are lies, darned lies, and statistics and your figures just about prove the point.
A very large percentage of BA domestic passengers from airports further north than Manchester are travelling point to point. However, anyone wanting to travel to London from Manchester on business would need their heads looking at to fly to Heathrow - unless their business was on the Heathrow side of London. On such short journeys the hassle of flying makes rail the obvious answer for the business passenger.
And why restrict your stats to the middle eastern carriers, a large percentage of Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, Swiss and Turkish passengers flying to and from Birmingham are not terminating at the FRA, CDG, AMS etc - but transiting.
The difference with Lufthansa, is that even through their newly metamorphasised group member, they will offer decent European business services from most major Germany airports - BA offer nothing, zilch, diddly squat. They have little interest in the UK outside of London.
In my opinion, that's not good for UK Plc, though of course the bean counters in BA may feel it's better for their shareholders!
Come on, I am aware that there are lies, darned lies, and statistics and your figures just about prove the point.
A very large percentage of BA domestic passengers from airports further north than Manchester are travelling point to point. However, anyone wanting to travel to London from Manchester on business would need their heads looking at to fly to Heathrow - unless their business was on the Heathrow side of London. On such short journeys the hassle of flying makes rail the obvious answer for the business passenger.
And why restrict your stats to the middle eastern carriers, a large percentage of Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, Swiss and Turkish passengers flying to and from Birmingham are not terminating at the FRA, CDG, AMS etc - but transiting.
The difference with Lufthansa, is that even through their newly metamorphasised group member, they will offer decent European business services from most major Germany airports - BA offer nothing, zilch, diddly squat. They have little interest in the UK outside of London.
In my opinion, that's not good for UK Plc, though of course the bean counters in BA may feel it's better for their shareholders!
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It remains daily but back to the A319 in the week and the weekend is on the CRJ9
On the plus side weekend flight times are better with a 1450 Sun dep from TXL, much better than the 0700 ish it had been changed to. I really do hope this change is a work in progress......
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I was absolutely flabbergasted when the SQ chose EMA this morning then I realised that the optimum stands had been stuffed with FR machines.
The price that you have to pay for pandering to FR, no doubt.
Is it true that FR are not paying for using BHX as a parking lot? If so, there is something seriously wrong with the decision making at Brum.
David
The price that you have to pay for pandering to FR, no doubt.
Is it true that FR are not paying for using BHX as a parking lot? If so, there is something seriously wrong with the decision making at Brum.
David
It would be hard to turn away an aircraft early on just in case you could accommodate a spotters fantasy later on in the operation.
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Just to add to the CRJ900 operating the weekend Berlin in summer and that is it is the BHX - HAM aircraft (and crew?) operating it.
The HAM-BHX arrives early Saturday morning and operates HAM-BHX-TXL-BHX-HAM and the same happens on a Sunday but slightly.
Perhaps I can understand the Saturday but like GF has said a bit strange re Sunday service. The last time I checked BHX-HAM it was non-ops on a Saturday like winter 2012/3, so at least there is now a daily flight.
Good to hear Germanwings getting some A320's and hopefully these might get used in the week.
Pete
The HAM-BHX arrives early Saturday morning and operates HAM-BHX-TXL-BHX-HAM and the same happens on a Sunday but slightly.
Perhaps I can understand the Saturday but like GF has said a bit strange re Sunday service. The last time I checked BHX-HAM it was non-ops on a Saturday like winter 2012/3, so at least there is now a daily flight.
Good to hear Germanwings getting some A320's and hopefully these might get used in the week.
Pete
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Don't connect with the "spotters fantasy". It is just that we at BHX are somewhat sensitive about the cuckoos sitting around and the potential impact on business of whatever kind.
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Don't connect with the "spotters fantasy". It is just that we at BHX are somewhat sensitive about the cuckoos sitting around and the potential impact on business of whatever kind.
David
David
