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So it seems that rather than concentrating on improving the offerings at BHX, PK has gone into "protectionist" mode and has started having a bash at CVT.
Brilliant, constructive use of your time PK.
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I'm pretty sure it's not to do with destroying the market really, just that he doesn't want it highlighted that Sir Peter Rigby may have gone out and got (or is in the process of going out and getting) airlines and routes for his airport. Something PK and his rebranding team haven't managed. Although the new sign is quite nice.
Brilliant, constructive use of your time PK.
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I'm pretty sure it's not to do with destroying the market really, just that he doesn't want it highlighted that Sir Peter Rigby may have gone out and got (or is in the process of going out and getting) airlines and routes for his airport. Something PK and his rebranding team haven't managed. Although the new sign is quite nice.
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I don't believe you understand what Kehoe's job is, and what he was trying to get across, although I think he is rather over-egging the pudding if he actually said what the Birmingham Post says he did!
PK's job is to make profits for the shareholders, something which, despite these recessionary times, he has succeeded in doing last year. He said that by diluting short haul business between CVT and BHX, profits will be hit, and that this could effect development of long haul services.
However, I think what he is quoted as saying is nonsense on two grounds. First, CVT will never entice the major European carriers to Baginton and it's their business that makes the profits, rather than the likes of Ryanair who really want to pay nothing to BHX to use the facilities, hence the various other rip-off charges that PAX have to pay. Second, an extra 400m will not guarantee a singe extra longhaul service. That requires a sound business case being put to Asian carriers, and some work by the marketing department!!
I don't believe you understand what Kehoe's job is, and what he was trying to get across, although I think he is rather over-egging the pudding if he actually said what the Birmingham Post says he did!
PK's job is to make profits for the shareholders, something which, despite these recessionary times, he has succeeded in doing last year. He said that by diluting short haul business between CVT and BHX, profits will be hit, and that this could effect development of long haul services.
However, I think what he is quoted as saying is nonsense on two grounds. First, CVT will never entice the major European carriers to Baginton and it's their business that makes the profits, rather than the likes of Ryanair who really want to pay nothing to BHX to use the facilities, hence the various other rip-off charges that PAX have to pay. Second, an extra 400m will not guarantee a singe extra longhaul service. That requires a sound business case being put to Asian carriers, and some work by the marketing department!!
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Thanks for the stats, OltonPete.
Rather worryingly, my extremely convenient regular direct flight to GOT with City Airline is at the bottom of the list with a load factor of only 53%. Originally conceived to suit the Ford MoCo empire, hiving off Jaguar, Landrover, and Volvo has already seen the flights drop from twice a day to once a day and a lot of the other regular pax are no longer seen. I wonder how long it will keep going at all.
I'm also a regular traveller through DXB but from simply looking around the cabin even without the stats I don't see that one in any danger!
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Rather worryingly, my extremely convenient regular direct flight to GOT with City Airline is at the bottom of the list with a load factor of only 53%. Originally conceived to suit the Ford MoCo empire, hiving off Jaguar, Landrover, and Volvo has already seen the flights drop from twice a day to once a day and a lot of the other regular pax are no longer seen. I wonder how long it will keep going at all.
I'm also a regular traveller through DXB but from simply looking around the cabin even without the stats I don't see that one in any danger!
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PK's job is to make profits for the shareholders, something which, despite these recessionary times, he has succeeded in doing last year
On a more positive note, I see that Monarch are now showing scheduled flights to Heraklion and Zante from BHX next summer, this is in addition to PVK and CHQ, although I am unsure as to whether these are pure charter as they are not yet listed on the Monarch scheduled website.
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On a more positive note, I see that Monarch are now showing scheduled flights to Heraklion and Zante from BHX next summer
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Do BHX still have a marketing department anymore.. ?? no new major routes for over 18 months ? 
What on earth they find to do.
There is only so many times you can call Qatar or Easy Jet on the phone for them to say no..Perhaps Mr K could job share to save money in the marketing office.
Think there is a lot of truth in the media spinning bad mostly false stories on BHX, but wish BHX would fight their corner more with the press.
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What on earth they find to do.There is only so many times you can call Qatar or Easy Jet on the phone for them to say no..Perhaps Mr K could job share to save money in the marketing office.
Think there is a lot of truth in the media spinning bad mostly false stories on BHX, but wish BHX would fight their corner more with the press.
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How many airlines (of the type all you in Birmingham crave) do you think are considering starting new routes in the current economic situation. They have a hard job on their hands I am sure.
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I for one don't crave new airlines at BHX (although yes of course it would be nice to see more scheduled carriers) what concerns me more is the ones we have don't seem to be able to (or want to?) expand their operations there - FR & WW have a much reduced operation compared to 2008 and can't seem to get above the 4 based units. MON to be fair have bucked the trend and could introduce more sunshine scheduled routes but what of BE - the 175 would seem perfect for BHX city routes but not even a sniff of anything new. If based carriers can't expand what hope of new ones? As I have said before the runway extension will not attract a sudden rush of long haul flights, like PK and his team seem to believe leaving BHX as a spoke in the Star Alliance and Sky Team worlds with a few Euro sunshine and niche long haul routes thrown in for good measure
Just for interest, GLA has in the last few weeks announced new routes to MAD, FCO, SVG and NQY, as well as increased VS capacity to MCO next summer, this from an airport that has been haemorraging passengers at at even worse rate than BHX. Are there any new routes to be announced from BHX? Thought not......
Just for interest, GLA has in the last few weeks announced new routes to MAD, FCO, SVG and NQY, as well as increased VS capacity to MCO next summer, this from an airport that has been haemorraging passengers at at even worse rate than BHX. Are there any new routes to be announced from BHX? Thought not......
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Don't mean to be negative but I find it a bit strange how Air transat can only operate 1 flight a week to toronto next summer from bhx when glasgow and Man offer 5 to 6 flights aweek. Something was mention in a recent post that canada was a market in decline, well that does not seem to be the case at Glas or Man. Also loads factors published on this site show BHX-toronto over 90% for most of the summer. I think Bhx can do better than one flight a week!! In previous years it has always being two flights a week at the very least. I dont know what the problem is since Im not a avigation expert, but one thing is for sure, the bhx - toronto service is not being adequatly covered by Air transat at present. Maybe BHX is a low priority for them or there are other issues with this service. What ever the problem is, this route could be better served.
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On the subject of YYZ flights, I too can't understand why BHX hasn't got more flights. There passengers are certainly there, especially with the Indian community. They are crying out for these flights. I can't help harping back to Wardair days in the 80's when they used to fill a B747 four times a week to YYZ.
On a different note it's sad to think that the only real increase in traffic at BHX are the Medivac flights that come from Afghanistan. With the end of summer only 2 months away, whats in store for BHX this winter?
On a different note it's sad to think that the only real increase in traffic at BHX are the Medivac flights that come from Afghanistan. With the end of summer only 2 months away, whats in store for BHX this winter?
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Winter
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Unless there are any major surprises between now and November, winter will be similar to last year. Air Malta & Cyprus Airways have gone as has flybe Frankfurt and I assume Mahan Air.
On the plus side the Air France A318's will add capacity and Lufthansa Munich should be up as it appears two of the three flights will be by 116 seat 195's.
SAS add a Saturday CR9 to Copenhagen and of course the BMI A320 covers the loss of seats on Frankfurt.
Ryanair are operating the same number of flights as are baby. Monarch are operating less unfortunately due to Ryanair arriving on FUE and increasing ACE. Although the reduction in Larnaca and Tenerife is a surprise especially the former considering the CY withdrawal.
I think there are two or three net increases in Aer Lingus flights per week, Saturday Cork, Saturday Shannon and possibly Sunday Dublin (not sure about that one).
PIA could be down as the 77W operated last winter and I am not sure about this one. CO, LX, SN, KL, TK, CF, AF (LYS), BE all look similar.
iT Charter wise, a bit of shuffling here due Egypt cancellations and I would say it is down slightly.
pwalhx
Air Nostrum Madrid for a start.Proven market for passengers just needs the right airline and right aircraft to give it a chance. I believe the Baby 733 service was not profitable despite the 80% load factors and it is very noticeable that out of the "fab four" routes they dropped a few years back, only Madrid has not been re-instated.
It is not always a case of attracting new airlines but perhaps persuading the ones they have to expand although with baby that it is more difficult due to what is going on but LH to the new Berlin springs to mind for June 2012, SAS Stockholm (although they might be happy to feed via CPH as LH might with Berlin via FRA).
flybe with their Nordic connections now would be another candidate eventually for Helsinki with a Finnair code-share (an obvious one) to feed the long-haul HEL hub and Arlanda perhaps although it seems the Nordic arm with be using Bromma.
These are not routes which will spring up overnight but certainly plenty for the future.
On the bright side for next summer Monarch Preveza, Chania and Kefalonia are all bookable as IT flights with no schedule flight reductions as yet to accommodate them and this should mean at least five aircraft on a Sunday.
I am still hoping that Monarch have more to come for BHX in 2012.
Pete
Unless there are any major surprises between now and November, winter will be similar to last year. Air Malta & Cyprus Airways have gone as has flybe Frankfurt and I assume Mahan Air.
On the plus side the Air France A318's will add capacity and Lufthansa Munich should be up as it appears two of the three flights will be by 116 seat 195's.
SAS add a Saturday CR9 to Copenhagen and of course the BMI A320 covers the loss of seats on Frankfurt.
Ryanair are operating the same number of flights as are baby. Monarch are operating less unfortunately due to Ryanair arriving on FUE and increasing ACE. Although the reduction in Larnaca and Tenerife is a surprise especially the former considering the CY withdrawal.
I think there are two or three net increases in Aer Lingus flights per week, Saturday Cork, Saturday Shannon and possibly Sunday Dublin (not sure about that one).
PIA could be down as the 77W operated last winter and I am not sure about this one. CO, LX, SN, KL, TK, CF, AF (LYS), BE all look similar.
iT Charter wise, a bit of shuffling here due Egypt cancellations and I would say it is down slightly.
pwalhx
Air Nostrum Madrid for a start.Proven market for passengers just needs the right airline and right aircraft to give it a chance. I believe the Baby 733 service was not profitable despite the 80% load factors and it is very noticeable that out of the "fab four" routes they dropped a few years back, only Madrid has not been re-instated.
It is not always a case of attracting new airlines but perhaps persuading the ones they have to expand although with baby that it is more difficult due to what is going on but LH to the new Berlin springs to mind for June 2012, SAS Stockholm (although they might be happy to feed via CPH as LH might with Berlin via FRA).
flybe with their Nordic connections now would be another candidate eventually for Helsinki with a Finnair code-share (an obvious one) to feed the long-haul HEL hub and Arlanda perhaps although it seems the Nordic arm with be using Bromma.
These are not routes which will spring up overnight but certainly plenty for the future.
On the bright side for next summer Monarch Preveza, Chania and Kefalonia are all bookable as IT flights with no schedule flight reductions as yet to accommodate them and this should mean at least five aircraft on a Sunday.
I am still hoping that Monarch have more to come for BHX in 2012.
Pete
Another milestone in the airport's history
This must be a first for the airport. The marketing team if that's what they're called these days should be congratulated on their wonderful achievement.
Birmingham Airport welcomes Cornish Pasty Co : Birmingham Airport News Stories
Birmingham Airport welcomes Cornish Pasty Co : Birmingham Airport News Stories
If PK wishes to be a smart cookie he should ramp up charges for Ryanair, get rid of them and then declare the airport a Ryanair-free zone forever.
This would provide a far more stable arena for other carriers to provide long-term and sustainable services.
And why on earth isn't there a massive Cadbury's gift shop in departures? That is surely the very first outlet anyone with an ounce of common sense would consider for Birmingham Airport !!!
This would provide a far more stable arena for other carriers to provide long-term and sustainable services.
And why on earth isn't there a massive Cadbury's gift shop in departures? That is surely the very first outlet anyone with an ounce of common sense would consider for Birmingham Airport !!!