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BMI Baby Check In
On the basis that it is relevant to airlines operating out of Bhx, are there any rumours as to who might snap up the BMI-baby check-in area at the airport
Much as I would love to agree with you Monty I doubt an vacant set of check in desks will entice EZY to BHX.....I would really like to hear someone in the know from EZY explain why EZY consider BHX to be such a total no go option for either a proper base or to be served from other bases apart from seasonal GVA and year round BFS
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Easy Jet are very clear about why they are not interested in a BHX base,and have stated repeatedly that yield is not high enough at BHX.Whether that is true or not, that is their official line.
Nigel
Easy Jet are very clear about why they are not interested in a BHX base,and have stated repeatedly that yield is not high enough at BHX.Whether that is true or not, that is their official line.
Nigel
Nigel
I don't buy the low yield arguement either. On the bucket and spade routes there's no such thing as high yield, nor probably on traditional weekend break destinations, such as Prague, Barcelona etc.
However, I seem to recall that due to the high numbers of inbound business travellers to BHX for events at the NEC and ICC, BA Regional actually had quite a lot of higher yield traffic on business routes. If EZY were to put resources into routes such as CPH, MUC, BER, ZRH (not GVA), MIL, MAD etc with proper frequency (minimum daily) then they would surely get better yield.
Unfortunately, these routes are already served, in the main, by LH and their Star Alliance mates so they would be starting as the new kids on the block, and perhaps, at this tough economic time, they don't want to take the risk.
I don't buy the low yield arguement either. On the bucket and spade routes there's no such thing as high yield, nor probably on traditional weekend break destinations, such as Prague, Barcelona etc.
However, I seem to recall that due to the high numbers of inbound business travellers to BHX for events at the NEC and ICC, BA Regional actually had quite a lot of higher yield traffic on business routes. If EZY were to put resources into routes such as CPH, MUC, BER, ZRH (not GVA), MIL, MAD etc with proper frequency (minimum daily) then they would surely get better yield.
Unfortunately, these routes are already served, in the main, by LH and their Star Alliance mates so they would be starting as the new kids on the block, and perhaps, at this tough economic time, they don't want to take the risk.
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Andrew yes I agree re the yield, but thats what they keep telling BHX.It was raised at the last Forum and repeated.
Suppose to make money for BHX full fare airlines probably bring more in than low cost, which is why long term BHX is in a better position to make more money than the likes of STN,LTN on the passenger side..
However thats another can of worms !
Nigel
Andrew yes I agree re the yield, but thats what they keep telling BHX.It was raised at the last Forum and repeated.
Suppose to make money for BHX full fare airlines probably bring more in than low cost, which is why long term BHX is in a better position to make more money than the likes of STN,LTN on the passenger side..
However thats another can of worms !
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Contactair F100 showing in various schedules this winter on the Swiss Zurich evening flight 18.15 arrival. Helvetic shown for the other two flights.
After KLM have changed the lunchtime E190 to the 737-700 from 2/7/12 more 737-900's are creeping into the schedule especially on KL1431/32
the last BHX departure to AMS. It seems Monday, Friday and Saturday are going see these quite often adding to the Tuesday KL1423/24.
As ever with KLM things are fluid and I have no doubt things will change.
No sign of easy bringing forward the BHX-BFS or increasing the GVA although baby only operated 2-3 Geneva's and all at the weekend.
Pete
After KLM have changed the lunchtime E190 to the 737-700 from 2/7/12 more 737-900's are creeping into the schedule especially on KL1431/32
the last BHX departure to AMS. It seems Monday, Friday and Saturday are going see these quite often adding to the Tuesday KL1423/24.
As ever with KLM things are fluid and I have no doubt things will change.
No sign of easy bringing forward the BHX-BFS or increasing the GVA although baby only operated 2-3 Geneva's and all at the weekend.
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Not impressed by the security at Birmingham airport. We where there on Sunday night (20/05/2012) and the queues were unbelievable. It took about 40 minutes just to get to through security. I also observed the 'security manager' (or whatever their correct term is) let a number of security personal go on a break which slowed things down further.
Some of the staff were also really rude, unhelpful and were basically shouting at passengers if they went through the body scanner too early or forgot to remove liquids from their baggage.
I also observed on an old, very frail women be harassed by security personnel because she set of the body scanner. She was asked by security personnel to lift her foot up which she struggled to do. If that was my mother or grandmother i would be appalled by it.
Some common sense from security personnel would go a long way. Some of those security personnel don't know how easy they have got it.
Never experienced anything like it.
Some of the staff were also really rude, unhelpful and were basically shouting at passengers if they went through the body scanner too early or forgot to remove liquids from their baggage.
I also observed on an old, very frail women be harassed by security personnel because she set of the body scanner. She was asked by security personnel to lift her foot up which she struggled to do. If that was my mother or grandmother i would be appalled by it.
Some common sense from security personnel would go a long way. Some of those security personnel don't know how easy they have got it.
Never experienced anything like it.
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To be fair to the security, the biggest problem is the idiot passengers!
Whenever I have been in the queue, there have been numerous ladies with more jewellery on than BA Baracas, and the number of people who seem to be totally dumbstruck when they get to the front of the queue and haven't removed a single item of metal work, go through the scanner, beeep! Keys, watch, belt, glasses, rings.
"you mean I have to take off off my metalwork too!?"
Would cut down the queues by half!
And fair play to the security officer at Brum who marched the Czech (who had nonchalantly walked past the queue to the front!) to the back.. "IN THIS COUNTRY WE DO SOMETHING CALLED QUEUEING!"
Whenever I have been in the queue, there have been numerous ladies with more jewellery on than BA Baracas, and the number of people who seem to be totally dumbstruck when they get to the front of the queue and haven't removed a single item of metal work, go through the scanner, beeep! Keys, watch, belt, glasses, rings.
"you mean I have to take off off my metalwork too!?"
Would cut down the queues by half!
And fair play to the security officer at Brum who marched the Czech (who had nonchalantly walked past the queue to the front!) to the back.. "IN THIS COUNTRY WE DO SOMETHING CALLED QUEUEING!"
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Agree with Giblets. People stand there queing moaning about how long its taking them, then decide to re-arrange there bags when get to the front of the que. That's before walking through the scanner with more cheap jewels on than Argos.
As for breaks. It's most likely a legal requirement and more of a rostering error than a "cant be arsed" attitude you've suggested.
As for breaks. It's most likely a legal requirement and more of a rostering error than a "cant be arsed" attitude you've suggested.
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I'm only going on what I saw and what I saw appeared to be terrible organisation on behalf of whoever runs security at BHX. It should not take 40 minutes to get through security at BHX on a Sunday night.
I travel quite a bit, at least every 2 weeks and this has been the worst I've experienced in a long time.
I travel quite a bit, at least every 2 weeks and this has been the worst I've experienced in a long time.
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To be fair to BHX, they are not responsible for the security it is the Borders Agency.
Oh yes that's the one the Government cut back and then were surprised that huge queues formed at Border Control..
Its the same problem that LHR had last month, But of course 'extra' staff were produced to solve the LHR problem.
I wonder where they came from....
Adie
Oh yes that's the one the Government cut back and then were surprised that huge queues formed at Border Control..
Its the same problem that LHR had last month, But of course 'extra' staff were produced to solve the LHR problem.
I wonder where they came from....
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Airport security is, AFAIK, the responsibility of the airport operator, obviously working to standards set down nationally, or even internationally.
Pax not knowing that they need to remove coats, laptops from cases, liquis in plastic bags, belts, coins, anything metallic, etc., will obviously slowd things down. Not every pax is a frequent flyer. Not all staff will have the required patience all the time.
Could a separate lane for "regulars" (other than for "fast track" cardholders) be a good idea?
Pax not knowing that they need to remove coats, laptops from cases, liquis in plastic bags, belts, coins, anything metallic, etc., will obviously slowd things down. Not every pax is a frequent flyer. Not all staff will have the required patience all the time.
Could a separate lane for "regulars" (other than for "fast track" cardholders) be a good idea?
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The EZY low yield was an excuse used initially at GLA also, but they have quite a developed network now, so I am not buying that
. b.t.w , i don't think KLM will have BHX-AMS all to themselves this time next year...
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EZY at BHX
Nigel Osbourne wrote
I completely agree Nigel landing fees are the issue. I'm amazed that FR haven't staged a strategic withdrawal trying to get BHX to reduce their fees as they have at EDI.
Instead FR have a "frozen" base at BHX. I wonder if EZY would just duplicate routes such as AGP, FAO, PMI etc. as many other airlines seem to have done historically at Birmingham. This lowers yields and eventually leads to one of the airlines withdrawing from the route or routes. Monarch are taking a chance and good luck to them.
We won't pay that much for our landing and handling fees"
Instead FR have a "frozen" base at BHX. I wonder if EZY would just duplicate routes such as AGP, FAO, PMI etc. as many other airlines seem to have done historically at Birmingham. This lowers yields and eventually leads to one of the airlines withdrawing from the route or routes. Monarch are taking a chance and good luck to them.