BIRMINGHAM - 5
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Cloud 1 & Burpbot
Guys, I'm not picking a fight here. If you don't believe me, then go ahead and commence a booking with Brussels Airlines on a weekday in May. Select flights by partner airlines then click on the flight number. The pop up box with the flight details clearly states "operated by Tyrolean Airways". That's my source. If you know better than Brussels Airlines why not share your source?
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Monarch & flybe
potash & Daza
I could say that there have been some Monarch cutbacks but as I have never checked the May schedule in the first place I can't be sure. However it is not to condense the schedule into 5 aircraft or anything like that,as the aircraft seem to sit on the ground at certain times until late May and it affects both FUE flights, one TFS (now 5), one ACE (now 4) and one LPA (now 2).
Six based aircraft in May, five in April with some away based aircraft on certain days in April.
Bodrum, Heraklion and Dubrovinik don't start until May so six aircraft not needed until then.
The schedule still looks mighty impressive compared to previous years.
Hotel Tango
Please don't take offence at Cloud1 & Burpots light teasing, if you check there older posts they have connections to flybe and obviously have some inside information which is not in the public domain.
It will be interesting to see how they fit BRU into their schedules. Still waiting to see if the IOM changes to an BHX based aircraft.
Pete
I could say that there have been some Monarch cutbacks but as I have never checked the May schedule in the first place I can't be sure. However it is not to condense the schedule into 5 aircraft or anything like that,as the aircraft seem to sit on the ground at certain times until late May and it affects both FUE flights, one TFS (now 5), one ACE (now 4) and one LPA (now 2).
Six based aircraft in May, five in April with some away based aircraft on certain days in April.
Bodrum, Heraklion and Dubrovinik don't start until May so six aircraft not needed until then.
The schedule still looks mighty impressive compared to previous years.
Hotel Tango
Please don't take offence at Cloud1 & Burpots light teasing, if you check there older posts they have connections to flybe and obviously have some inside information which is not in the public domain.
It will be interesting to see how they fit BRU into their schedules. Still waiting to see if the IOM changes to an BHX based aircraft.
Pete
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Fue
Potash
Not very good really, it is clearly not bookable and unless it is full it certainly doesn't look like it is operating.
I would contact them asap
Monarch
Pete
Not very good really, it is clearly not bookable and unless it is full it certainly doesn't look like it is operating.
I would contact them asap
Monarch
Pete
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SN Dash 8 ops
Hmm, must be very hush-hush then. If it is going to be Flybe I can only guess (looking at the published dep & arr times that it will be a lease arrangement of some sort with the a/c based in Brussels - as is the case at present with Tyrolean.
I do hope that it won't be Flybe. I gave up flying with them a few years back as I became less and less impressed with them (flying from DUS).
I note that the fares charged on the Dash 8 sectors are often substantially higher than the pure SN flights. Time will tell.
I do hope that it won't be Flybe. I gave up flying with them a few years back as I became less and less impressed with them (flying from DUS).
I note that the fares charged on the Dash 8 sectors are often substantially higher than the pure SN flights. Time will tell.
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% FR Pax
bread&water
Sorry for the delay, too much going on!!!
Do you mean FR's overall December load factor from BHX or Ryanair's share of BHX's December pax?
As you say guestimate as there are too many shared services to get an accurate figure but I would say around 75-77% load factor. Definitely not
a great month load factor wise but almost certainly higher fares than 2010.
I probably could work out an estimated number of Ryanair pax as a % of BHX's December figure.
Pete
Sorry for the delay, too much going on!!!
Do you mean FR's overall December load factor from BHX or Ryanair's share of BHX's December pax?
As you say guestimate as there are too many shared services to get an accurate figure but I would say around 75-77% load factor. Definitely not
a great month load factor wise but almost certainly higher fares than 2010.
I probably could work out an estimated number of Ryanair pax as a % of BHX's December figure.
Pete
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Birmingham-Hamburg
Great news for Birmingham, Berlin commences June and Hamburg returns in May. I do fear that Flybe may not survive on BHX-HAM
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Monarch winter 2012/3 schedule
It looks as it four aircraft to be used up one from this winter.
Rome, Venice and Milan retained but cut-backs on the Canaries.
The schedule in general is how winter 2011/12 should finish but
well down on the November 2011 schedule if you take the city
routes out. Plenty of gaps for new routes other than Sunday.
Monday
AGP then ALC
LPA
MXP
TFS
Tuesday
FCO
VCE
TFS
Wednesday
MXP
FUE
LCA
TFS
Thursday
ACE
FAO
FCO
VCE
Friday
TFS
ALC
AGP
FCO then MXP
Saturday
MXP then ALC
AGP then TFS
VCE
(GVA?)
Sunday
ALC then ACE
FAO then TFS
AGP then LCA
VCE then FCO
B&W
Okay I will take a look
Pete
Rome, Venice and Milan retained but cut-backs on the Canaries.
The schedule in general is how winter 2011/12 should finish but
well down on the November 2011 schedule if you take the city
routes out. Plenty of gaps for new routes other than Sunday.
Monday
AGP then ALC
LPA
MXP
TFS
Tuesday
FCO
VCE
TFS
Wednesday
MXP
FUE
LCA
TFS
Thursday
ACE
FAO
FCO
VCE
Friday
TFS
ALC
AGP
FCO then MXP
Saturday
MXP then ALC
AGP then TFS
VCE
(GVA?)
Sunday
ALC then ACE
FAO then TFS
AGP then LCA
VCE then FCO
B&W
Okay I will take a look
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Flybe Hamburg
Getonittt wrote
You sort of partly answered your own question, I would add to that the flight times to Hamburg are of very little use to business fliers and the fact that the flight only operates on four or five days a week for months in Winter.
I hope that Flybe do continue the route and maybe Lufthansa's presence will raise Birmingham's profile and increase passenger numbers on the route generally as new LH AND EZY services did at MAN. I'm sure OltonPete will confirm BE have been haemorrhaging passengers on this route for quite sometime.
As you say only time will tell.
Daza
Why is it that whenever Flybe have competition they are seen as the underdogs? Not saying it's not true or otherwise , maybe their brand is not strong outside of the UK , or maybe the Q400's are not to most peoples liking . I guess we will wait and see what happens to the BE7109/10 after 02 may.
I hope that Flybe do continue the route and maybe Lufthansa's presence will raise Birmingham's profile and increase passenger numbers on the route generally as new LH AND EZY services did at MAN. I'm sure OltonPete will confirm BE have been haemorrhaging passengers on this route for quite sometime.
As you say only time will tell.Daza
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Flybe
I would add to that the flight times to Hamburg are of very little use to business fliers and the fact that the flight only operates on four or five days a week for months in Winter.
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Crewmeal,
I am puzzled by your comments about your mate who was charged for refreshments on board his Birmingham-Dundee flight as this sector is operated by Loganair who offer "Complimentary onboard service on flights over 45 mins". Are you sure of your facts? Flybe are an essential airline providing domestic services which otherwise would be expensive or lengthy by road or rail. I don't see anyone else rushing to provide the services that they and their franchise partners do. In a market where the Government's policy on Air Passenger Duty is killing domestic business they are trying to provide a decent service and should be supported for what they do for the British economy and not dismissed as only suitable for carrying pensioners around. When you reach pensionable age I hope they are still around.
I am puzzled by your comments about your mate who was charged for refreshments on board his Birmingham-Dundee flight as this sector is operated by Loganair who offer "Complimentary onboard service on flights over 45 mins". Are you sure of your facts? Flybe are an essential airline providing domestic services which otherwise would be expensive or lengthy by road or rail. I don't see anyone else rushing to provide the services that they and their franchise partners do. In a market where the Government's policy on Air Passenger Duty is killing domestic business they are trying to provide a decent service and should be supported for what they do for the British economy and not dismissed as only suitable for carrying pensioners around. When you reach pensionable age I hope they are still around.