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And BA, of course, positively encouraged the premium payers to utilise the regional long-haul services.
Certainly at Manchester they have have come badly unstuck, as I understand it QR, EK , Eithad are all full so they are losing a massive amounts of traffic.
From a market persepctive it's about having a critical mass, something BA have at LHR and EK have at DXB. By all means kick BA for not providing the service but in all honesty, no one has explained how they'd ever make a profit doing it.
Regionally EK are a much better option connecting East, BA offer a great number of choices going West. The market will choose.
One last point, BA has to make a profit or die. Are you sure that's true of EK, EY or QR? Really?
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These flights have been operated through BHX for a number of years,though
BER have been flying them for the last 2/3 years.Not entirely sure why however
but it's to do with the MOD contract,possibly as BHx is closer to some of the bases where the service personnel are based.Would like confirmation though.
These flights have been operated through BHX for a number of years,though
BER have been flying them for the last 2/3 years.Not entirely sure why however
but it's to do with the MOD contract,possibly as BHx is closer to some of the bases where the service personnel are based.Would like confirmation though.
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Further to my 1st post,these flights have also been operated by Titan a/w
amongst others.BER being possibly the longest serving on this contract.
The flights operate twice a week to HAJ,WED/SAT,and weekly to Paderborn on
Sunday afternoons using a mix of B738 to Paderborn,and 738/320 to HAJ.
Hope this is of help!
amongst others.BER being possibly the longest serving on this contract.
The flights operate twice a week to HAJ,WED/SAT,and weekly to Paderborn on
Sunday afternoons using a mix of B738 to Paderborn,and 738/320 to HAJ.
Hope this is of help!
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Sometimes you have to wonder if these airlines WANT to fly from BHX, or are just doing it because of lack of slot availability. Maybe that's the case with Air Algerie - not a huge Algerian population in the Midlands and there are no onward connections to India which passengers are likely to use, and while there may be Beijing not many will fly with it. They also terminated MAN a while back.
If Air India were happy with their position at BHX, if they were forced to move to LHR for the winter they would have done everything in their power to return the next summer. It was just to protect their 'valuable slots' at the airport - though I wonder how that thought only came about in 2008, three years after they started serving BHX.
That said, airlines like Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan seemed to only work well because passengers could use them for connections to India, and plus Uzbekistan operated to JFK via BHX in 2001 (which was then axed due to 9/11, then re-instated in March 2003).
What is the usual load for the A343 compared to the 773? I was wondering as Emirates operated that aircraft to Glasgow from June for a couple of months when their second daily service initially started - would be nice to see them replace the 77W for an A343 one day to see how it works
If Air India were happy with their position at BHX, if they were forced to move to LHR for the winter they would have done everything in their power to return the next summer. It was just to protect their 'valuable slots' at the airport - though I wonder how that thought only came about in 2008, three years after they started serving BHX.
That said, airlines like Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan seemed to only work well because passengers could use them for connections to India, and plus Uzbekistan operated to JFK via BHX in 2001 (which was then axed due to 9/11, then re-instated in March 2003).
What is the usual load for the A343 compared to the 773? I was wondering as Emirates operated that aircraft to Glasgow from June for a couple of months when their second daily service initially started - would be nice to see them replace the 77W for an A343 one day to see how it works
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The Emirates A343 models are being retired - Two already left fleet.
They are F12 C42 Y213 - Premium heavy compared to the 77W
They normally use a high density 77W either C42 Y386 or C42 Y400 to Birmingham
Some mid week flights employ a mid density with F8 C42 Y310 in which case the F8 are blocked.
The 77W also has increased pallet space.
They are F12 C42 Y213 - Premium heavy compared to the 77W
They normally use a high density 77W either C42 Y386 or C42 Y400 to Birmingham
Some mid week flights employ a mid density with F8 C42 Y310 in which case the F8 are blocked.
The 77W also has increased pallet space.
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The Emirates A343 models are being retired - Two already left fleet.
They are F12 C42 Y213 - Premium heavy compared to the 77W
They normally use a high density 77W either C42 Y386 or C42 Y400 to Birmingham
Some mid week flights employ a mid density with F8 C42 Y310 in which case the F8 are blocked.
The 77W also has increased pallet space.
They are F12 C42 Y213 - Premium heavy compared to the 77W
They normally use a high density 77W either C42 Y386 or C42 Y400 to Birmingham
Some mid week flights employ a mid density with F8 C42 Y310 in which case the F8 are blocked.
The 77W also has increased pallet space.
If the A343s are being retired, what about the A345 (if, of course, the runway could handle it)?
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With no apology for seeming rude, you keep going around and around Emirates as though you have some sort of fettish (or even addiction) about them!.
BHX as you have been told umpteen times is a 2 class operation, and one that also requires a decent cargo uplift. That means the 2 class 777-300 is the equipment of choice - end of!
Therefore whether or not this that or the other equipment could or would be able to operate through BHX whether for technical or operational reasons is totally irrelevent and I for one am fast losing patience with the constant stream of silly questions!!
I fear I am not the only one.
Andrew (very grumpy old man!).
With no apology for seeming rude, you keep going around and around Emirates as though you have some sort of fettish (or even addiction) about them!.
BHX as you have been told umpteen times is a 2 class operation, and one that also requires a decent cargo uplift. That means the 2 class 777-300 is the equipment of choice - end of!
Therefore whether or not this that or the other equipment could or would be able to operate through BHX whether for technical or operational reasons is totally irrelevent and I for one am fast losing patience with the constant stream of silly questions!!
I fear I am not the only one.
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Do the math the numbers are right there !
Answer its a word with two consecutive letters of the alphabet !
The 345s have even fewer in Y - so ever more premium heavy !
Answer its a word with two consecutive letters of the alphabet !
The 345s have even fewer in Y - so ever more premium heavy !
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Agreed this thread is getting nauseating because of planeaddict's posts.
This is an ultra long range aircraft, hardly suitable for UK operations. Why don't you post in spotters corner and relieve us of the tedium planeaddict, or are you deliberately trying to wind everyone up?
what about the A345
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Quote: "BA and Virgin do not wish to dilute there service from the UK, why would they. In the past they forced everybody into London either by car from Birmingham or Shuttle from Manchester, NI, Scotland etc.
Certainly at Manchester they have have come badly unstuck, as I understand it QR, EK , Eithad are all full so they are losing a massive amounts of traffic.
Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made...... "
Classic hub-and-spoke policy as adopted by almost all non-"no frills" carriers. So one would expect foreign carriers to be doing longhaul at BHX, feeding their hubs, for onward journeys. For example if HKG or BKK were viable, expect CX or TG to be on the route, rather than BA or VS.
People don't mind going the "long way round" to save a little money, so EK does very well out of UK regional airports.
Before hub-and-spoke became more or less mandatory, BA had a secondary hub at BHX. Regretably it is no longer tenable.
However, BA and VS are not the only UK airlines. If there's money to be made, airlines will be there, UK or overseas.
After all, let's face it, there are no capacity problems at BHX, and the authorities there would (rightly) welcome any potential longhaul carriers with open arms!
Quote:"Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made......"
Not necessarily the case, if there's sufficient demand and profits to be made, such proximity is not an issue. Look at the proximity of PHL, IAD, BWI and the NYC airports, for example, or DUB and SNN.
Quote: "If Air India were happy with their position at BHX, if they were forced to move to LHR for the winter they would have done everything in their power to return the next summer. It was just to protect their 'valuable slots' at the airport - though I wonder how that thought only came about in 2008, three years after they started serving BHX."
It's nothing to do with BHX specifically, AI have been in financial dire straits for ages, so it could be that the 'valuable slots' at LHR have been sold off or leased out longterm.
At LHR, they used do several daily flights to/from Bombay, with one extended to New York, plus a daily to/from Delhi, and at one time, even direct to Calcutta. Now it's just one flight/day each to/from BOM and DEL!
It's not just BHX, AI has withdrawn from most of Europe, most of Africa and the Mideast, all of Australia, and much of Asia. Only the Gulf appears to be a growth area for them. That once great airline is a shadow of its former self.
Certainly at Manchester they have have come badly unstuck, as I understand it QR, EK , Eithad are all full so they are losing a massive amounts of traffic.
Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made...... "
Classic hub-and-spoke policy as adopted by almost all non-"no frills" carriers. So one would expect foreign carriers to be doing longhaul at BHX, feeding their hubs, for onward journeys. For example if HKG or BKK were viable, expect CX or TG to be on the route, rather than BA or VS.
People don't mind going the "long way round" to save a little money, so EK does very well out of UK regional airports.
Before hub-and-spoke became more or less mandatory, BA had a secondary hub at BHX. Regretably it is no longer tenable.
However, BA and VS are not the only UK airlines. If there's money to be made, airlines will be there, UK or overseas.
After all, let's face it, there are no capacity problems at BHX, and the authorities there would (rightly) welcome any potential longhaul carriers with open arms!
Quote:"Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made......"
Not necessarily the case, if there's sufficient demand and profits to be made, such proximity is not an issue. Look at the proximity of PHL, IAD, BWI and the NYC airports, for example, or DUB and SNN.
Quote: "If Air India were happy with their position at BHX, if they were forced to move to LHR for the winter they would have done everything in their power to return the next summer. It was just to protect their 'valuable slots' at the airport - though I wonder how that thought only came about in 2008, three years after they started serving BHX."
It's nothing to do with BHX specifically, AI have been in financial dire straits for ages, so it could be that the 'valuable slots' at LHR have been sold off or leased out longterm.
At LHR, they used do several daily flights to/from Bombay, with one extended to New York, plus a daily to/from Delhi, and at one time, even direct to Calcutta. Now it's just one flight/day each to/from BOM and DEL!
It's not just BHX, AI has withdrawn from most of Europe, most of Africa and the Mideast, all of Australia, and much of Asia. Only the Gulf appears to be a growth area for them. That once great airline is a shadow of its former self.
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It's nothing to do with BHX specifically, AI have been in financial dire straits for ages, so it could be that the 'valuable slots' at LHR have been sold off or leased out longterm.
At LHR, they used do several daily flights to/from Bombay, with one extended to New York, plus a daily to/from Delhi, and at one time, even direct to Calcutta. Now it's just one flight/day each to/from BOM and DEL!
It's not just BHX, AI has withdrawn from most of Europe, most of Africa and the Mideast, all of Australia, and much of Asia. Only the Gulf appears to be a growth area for them. That once great airline is a shadow of its former self.
At LHR, they used do several daily flights to/from Bombay, with one extended to New York, plus a daily to/from Delhi, and at one time, even direct to Calcutta. Now it's just one flight/day each to/from BOM and DEL!
It's not just BHX, AI has withdrawn from most of Europe, most of Africa and the Mideast, all of Australia, and much of Asia. Only the Gulf appears to be a growth area for them. That once great airline is a shadow of its former self.
They've started on that Monarch hangar: BBC News - Monarch starts Birmingham Airport hangar construction
Expected to be operational by the end of the year.
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Same age as BALHR(!) Have they been seen together I wonder, or one and the same? Aaargh
Emirates Fleet Details and History - Planespotters.net Just Aviation
Details of Emirates here, worth a look and will answer your questions better than repeatedly asking on here.
Air India are using three daily slots at LHR, two DEL and one BOM.
Emirates Fleet Details and History - Planespotters.net Just Aviation
Details of Emirates here, worth a look and will answer your questions better than repeatedly asking on here.
Air India are using three daily slots at LHR, two DEL and one BOM.
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Anyone else experiencing deja vu lately....? Can someone please put a stop to it? I'm all for free speech and everything but this is getting a bit tiresome and it's starting to spoil what is normally an enjoyable thread.
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Do you know, I was having the same thoughts about this individual and our friend with the tag BALHR. The main difference is that the latter had a better level of literacy.
Great minds think alike!!
David
Do you know, I was having the same thoughts about this individual and our friend with the tag BALHR. The main difference is that the latter had a better level of literacy.
Great minds think alike!!
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I have to agree with you and other Ppruners, it has started to spoil what has been up till now a vibrant and informative forum; frequently touching on fresh issues which in turn sparks fresh debate. Either this individual cannot grasp the advice he is being given or, and I hope I am not being unkind, he is incapable of doing so. But each and every time he returns to the same questions which have been answered ad-nauseum.
Accepting, as I hope, that he is a normal 22-year-old lad, my best advice to him would be to get out more, play football, meet other young people, find a girlfriend and try and enjoy a bit of life outside of the Bhx cocoon.
Accepting, as I hope, that he is a normal 22-year-old lad, my best advice to him would be to get out more, play football, meet other young people, find a girlfriend and try and enjoy a bit of life outside of the Bhx cocoon.
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Accepting, as I hope, that he is a normal 22-year-old lad, my best advice to him would be to get out more, play football, meet other young people, find a girlfriend and try and enjoy a bit of life outside of the Bhx cocoon
We do not have to agree with other posters but lets leave personal attacks for the office.
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Analyst Saj Ahmad commented: "Qatar Airways decision to start flights to Birmingham is not just a boon for the airport, but it will arguably give passengers better choice and prices when flying to the Middle East and beyond. At present, Emirates pretty much Birmingham Airport all to itself using 777-300ERs. Qatar Airways plans to deploy the revolutionary 787-8 on this route, but while no dates have been announced for any inaugural flight, customers will likely be keeping close watch so they can keep their option open when flying to the GCC and beyond.
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Monarch starts Birmingham Airport hangar construction
Work has started on a new maintenance centre at Birmingham Airport which is expected to create up to 300 new jobs.
Monarch Aircraft Engineering said the new hangar would be able to repair not just its own fleet, but other aircraft.
About 150 jobs are expected to be created when it opens at the end of 2013, with the possibility of a further 150 jobs later, the company said.
Monarch Airlines has recently expanded its number of flights from Birmingham.
Chief Executive of Birmingham Airport Paul Kehoe said the decision to build the facility demonstrated a long-term commitment in the region and its engineers.
Monarch also operate maintenance facilities at London Gatwick, Luton, and Manchester airports.
Birmingham's 110,000 sq ft (10,200 sq m) hangar is expected to be able to house large passenger jets such as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, or up to 10 narrow-body aircraft.
Work is also currently under way on a £40m runway extension at Birmingham Airport.
Work has started on a new maintenance centre at Birmingham Airport which is expected to create up to 300 new jobs.
Monarch Aircraft Engineering said the new hangar would be able to repair not just its own fleet, but other aircraft.
About 150 jobs are expected to be created when it opens at the end of 2013, with the possibility of a further 150 jobs later, the company said.
Monarch Airlines has recently expanded its number of flights from Birmingham.
Chief Executive of Birmingham Airport Paul Kehoe said the decision to build the facility demonstrated a long-term commitment in the region and its engineers.
Monarch also operate maintenance facilities at London Gatwick, Luton, and Manchester airports.
Birmingham's 110,000 sq ft (10,200 sq m) hangar is expected to be able to house large passenger jets such as the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, or up to 10 narrow-body aircraft.
Work is also currently under way on a £40m runway extension at Birmingham Airport.
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