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When's the planned start date for this EuroAtlantic service?
Plus, I reckon they do expand the terminal to cater for extra passengers, especially when the runway is completed. Surely they'd have to start now.
Plus, I reckon they do expand the terminal to cater for extra passengers, especially when the runway is completed. Surely they'd have to start now.
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The current terminal is capable of taking over 17 million passengers according to BHX, so no need for any expansion in the terminal for some time.
The next planned additions are a walkway pier at the back of the 70/80s in line with the railway track and a coulpe of fingers off eurohub with airbridges if required.
Thats from the airports latest future updates and appear on some recent drawings of the airport, who knows when/if they will be added
Also more moveable airbridges on the 40s which are rigid at present.
However the baggage reclaim surely needs more belts, and agree more staff required to man all the security points.
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The current terminal is capable of taking over 17 million passengers according to BHX, so no need for any expansion in the terminal for some time.
The next planned additions are a walkway pier at the back of the 70/80s in line with the railway track and a coulpe of fingers off eurohub with airbridges if required.
Thats from the airports latest future updates and appear on some recent drawings of the airport, who knows when/if they will be added
Also more moveable airbridges on the 40s which are rigid at present.
However the baggage reclaim surely needs more belts, and agree more staff required to man all the security points.
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Facilities
BHX needs to get its infrastructure in place before there is any expansion of passenger numbers. I know the airport managers are at the mercy of UKBA but the service delivered at immigration is pathetic (lack of staff; what seems to be a deliberate refusal to make use of the e-gates). If there was a third 777 full arriving at the same time as EK and PIA then the immigration queue would be right down to the end of the new pier and, in all probability, they would have to prevent passengers from de-boarding aircraft until the queues had died down.
Regarding the above comment I have to agree. Returning from Malaga in the summer around midnight the terminal 2 arrivals area was closed, the passengers were left on the aircraft for 20 minutes whilst buses were arranged. There then followed a tour of the apron before we were deposited at the end of the international pier on terminal 1 to walk to immigration. It was easy to see why we were left at the end of the pier, the queue was snaking along the pier and the escalators were closed because the queue stretched far beyond them. Staff were allowing passengers down the stairs only when there was room for them at the bottom.
Most of my experiences at BHX have been good, certainly better than just up the M42 but they really need to sort the immigration area out (get rid of the stairs and install a ramp) and more baggage belts are desperately required.
Terminal 2 is a tip and this needs sorting as soon as possible as it not to the standard of terminal 1.
The BHX experience 7/10 but would be 9/10 if they sorted the arrivals.
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Regarding the above comment I have to agree. Returning from Malaga in the summer around midnight the terminal 2 arrivals area was closed, the passengers were left on the aircraft for 20 minutes whilst buses were arranged. There then followed a tour of the apron before we were deposited at the end of the international pier on terminal 1 to walk to immigration. It was easy to see why we were left at the end of the pier, the queue was snaking along the pier and the escalators were closed because the queue stretched far beyond them. Staff were allowing passengers down the stairs only when there was room for them at the bottom.
Most of my experiences at BHX have been good, certainly better than just up the M42 but they really need to sort the immigration area out (get rid of the stairs and install a ramp) and more baggage belts are desperately required.
Terminal 2 is a tip and this needs sorting as soon as possible as it not to the standard of terminal 1.
The BHX experience 7/10 but would be 9/10 if they sorted the arrivals.
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Employment numbers
As an element of economic activity - five hundred or so employees seems relatively quite small. I suppose most employment at the terminal is with contracted providers.
Of course the purpose of an Airport is to get people where they are going as quickly as possible but think in social terms of those numbers employed at big Tesco/Sansbury stores etc and the value of entities like this comes into perspective.
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[Edit: how do these figures compare with similar sized facilities in the UK ? EDI, GLA and LUT]
Of course the purpose of an Airport is to get people where they are going as quickly as possible but think in social terms of those numbers employed at big Tesco/Sansbury stores etc and the value of entities like this comes into perspective.
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[Edit: how do these figures compare with similar sized facilities in the UK ? EDI, GLA and LUT]
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Terminal 2/ euro hub does now have a new wood laminate floor replacing the terrible carpet .... A Big improvement ...but the inside is still very tired
I did think they were even going to close or mothball it recently....
Shame they can't do it up and make it star star alliance terminal
I did think they were even going to close or mothball it recently....
Shame they can't do it up and make it star star alliance terminal
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Re T2
I last used it to Belfast in the days when Mearsk used 1-11 500's - packed aeroplane and the terminal was grey in colour but perfectly acceptable. If its been left for 10 years I bet its "tired".
Dose this apparent neglect indicate a limited and diminishing commitment by the current user airlines paying to use the facility, that any competent management would leave to decline to the point of "unfit for public access" as services are progressively withdrawn.
In business terms perhaps the terminal is reaching the end of its working life and is more economic to withdraw from and demolish.
Perhaps the associated apron space could be used for a spur from the main terminal - Just an Idea. Simon I missed your post re the laminate flooring originally)
In retrospect I think the quality of user experience does influence passenger choice when booking flights
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Dose this apparent neglect indicate a limited and diminishing commitment by the current user airlines paying to use the facility, that any competent management would leave to decline to the point of "unfit for public access" as services are progressively withdrawn.
In business terms perhaps the terminal is reaching the end of its working life and is more economic to withdraw from and demolish.
Perhaps the associated apron space could be used for a spur from the main terminal - Just an Idea. Simon I missed your post re the laminate flooring originally)
In retrospect I think the quality of user experience does influence passenger choice when booking flights
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MMZ Euro Atlantic Airways / Monarch Hangar / Eurojet
I think with Euro Atlantic they just requested Airport slots. But are not going to use them. Have Spoken to a couple of people and they knew nothing
Air Algerie. Heard again this is a good possibility. 2-3 flights a week. Using 737-800. Due to slots at LHR. Start date muted Early March
A fence has gone up around where the new Monarch hangar is to be built. Stand 506 is now closed and stand 505 has restriction. Taxiway Kilo is closed while the hangar is built.
The new compass bay is ready.
Adhoc Freight movements are very quiet. December on a whole was exceptionally quiet this year. Bizjet traffic also seems to be quiet.
Anyone know how Eurojet are doing?
Air Algerie. Heard again this is a good possibility. 2-3 flights a week. Using 737-800. Due to slots at LHR. Start date muted Early March
A fence has gone up around where the new Monarch hangar is to be built. Stand 506 is now closed and stand 505 has restriction. Taxiway Kilo is closed while the hangar is built.
The new compass bay is ready.
Adhoc Freight movements are very quiet. December on a whole was exceptionally quiet this year. Bizjet traffic also seems to be quiet.
Anyone know how Eurojet are doing?
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Looks like EK going double daily at Manchester with A380, which might free up a 777 for bhx ?
Q re infrastructure, can BHX handle A380 ?
Parking, pax throughput etc ?
That said cannot help thinking money people living North of BHX who may have used BHX wil head North.
Q re infrastructure, can BHX handle A380 ?
Parking, pax throughput etc ?
That said cannot help thinking money people living North of BHX who may have used BHX wil head North.
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I think for the front end it depends on the price, especially as they take you to and from the airport and you do not have to worry about getting there. a lot of companies are now very price sensitive.
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problem is that UKBA are Govt funded so all you get are cuts
plus they are hammered unless they crawl all over anyone in the least bit suspicious and so the times go up and up and up
Singapore only tales 10 minutes max..................
plus they are hammered unless they crawl all over anyone in the least bit suspicious and so the times go up and up and up
Singapore only tales 10 minutes max..................
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Looks like EK going double daily at Manchester with A380, which might free up a 777 for bhx ?
Air Algerie. Heard again this is a good possibility. 2-3 flights a week. Using 737-800. Due to slots at LHR. Start date muted Early March
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Airbridges
Where are these fixed bridges on the 40's?? All the bridges at BHX that are operational (Stands 1,2 and 3 are fixed in position for FR) are drivable, the last fixed bridges were stands 54, 55 and 56 on the old International Pier and were scrapped when that pier came down in 2009! 
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The 757's have still got plenty of life in them yet; I believe the recent upgrades to 767's are simply due to increased demand and United re-structuring the combined fleet; some of the pre-merger UA birds are now switching to some of the old CO routes and vice versa. I'd say BHX would eventually become a 787 route if UA convert the options into firm orders.
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Re BHX and handling an A380... its a good question..
We did have the EK one in and it fitted nicely on stand 54C last time, might even have A380 parking line painted up ?.
We do now have a A380 tug (although told it was bust recently) We don't have 2nd deck catering loaders,they were borrowed from LHR on its first visit as was the tug.
CAA have approved BHX to handle A380s and theres an ICAO A380 taxiing chart available for BHX .
So at short notice yes we could handle one on diversion, but probably couldn't turn one around quickly enough on a regular basis at present as to not disrupt other flights without all the equipment.
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Re BHX and handling an A380... its a good question..
We did have the EK one in and it fitted nicely on stand 54C last time, might even have A380 parking line painted up ?.
We do now have a A380 tug (although told it was bust recently) We don't have 2nd deck catering loaders,they were borrowed from LHR on its first visit as was the tug.
CAA have approved BHX to handle A380s and theres an ICAO A380 taxiing chart available for BHX .
So at short notice yes we could handle one on diversion, but probably couldn't turn one around quickly enough on a regular basis at present as to not disrupt other flights without all the equipment.
Nigel
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We did have the EK one in and it fitted nicely on stand 55C last time, might even have A380 parking line painted up ?.
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Maybe if EK end up diverting into BHX enroute to MAN, we'll get a better idea as to whether the A380 can really cope (when it comes to landing of course).
Regarding United, they have operated the 764 on a few occasions to BHX and from what I read, one of those flights were nearly full, so doesn't seem too out of reach.
Regarding United, they have operated the 764 on a few occasions to BHX and from what I read, one of those flights were nearly full, so doesn't seem too out of reach.
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A380
I do not see what the problem with an A380 is.
The official charts for BHX have Airbus 380 approved taxiways marked on them, it fits on the stand which I believe is marked and the terminal can cope with the passengers. It fits better than the Wardair 747 on the old terminal with the 707 steps and the Herald steps welded onto the top. It is a good job that Health and Safety did not exist in those days.
The official charts for BHX have Airbus 380 approved taxiways marked on them, it fits on the stand which I believe is marked and the terminal can cope with the passengers. It fits better than the Wardair 747 on the old terminal with the 707 steps and the Herald steps welded onto the top. It is a good job that Health and Safety did not exist in those days.
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Regarding United, they have operated the 764 on a few occasions to BHX and from what I read, one of those flights were nearly full, so doesn't seem too out of reach.