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How many seats are there to be on the 757s to be flown by Aer Lingus. If it is more than 199 seats there has to be at least five cabin crew involved in the crew and if there are 12 biz class seats maybe there will be another crew member too????
One would have thought the strong snn lobby would be so thrilled to have year round flights to New York etc that they would be quiet and give thanks!
Makes it interesting I suppose.
One would have thought the strong snn lobby would be so thrilled to have year round flights to New York etc that they would be quiet and give thanks!
Makes it interesting I suppose.
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"Shannon based EI staff always have something to moan or threaten strike."
When was the last time and what was the issue? Serious Question.
Also numbers down 4.4% in September. Long haul and Regional up so European routes seem to be suffering,.
Aer Lingus passenger numbers down in September · Business ETC
When was the last time and what was the issue? Serious Question.
Also numbers down 4.4% in September. Long haul and Regional up so European routes seem to be suffering,.
Aer Lingus passenger numbers down in September · Business ETC
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There was an extra Sunday last September which would change that figure, but overall it seems European routes are down slightly. Aer Lingus also continued some seasonal routes to the very end of September instead of mid-September which lead to lower LF's.
There was an extra Sunday last September which would change that figure,
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Short Haul passengers were down 4.4% but they also cut capacity by 4.6%, they made changes once the weather picked up in July, which would be a key month for September bookings.
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I would say on Saturdays in summer they have more passengers than Mondays, they have way more flights anyway. Of course Monday and Friday in winter.
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I would say on Saturdays in summer they have more passengers than Mondays, they have way more flights anyway. Of course Monday and Friday in winter.
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Nope there were 5 in 2012 and 5 in 2013
are you saying more people travel EI on Saturday than Monday
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B757 and Unions
Does that mean the dispute is over, or does that mean they've gone the other way?
Anyone able to actually fill in what's going on?
At the minute there's 8 cabin crew on 1 aircraft, come March, there'll be 4 crew on two aircraft, so still 8. Exactly where is the union seeing the issue here? Also, if there's only 176 seats on the 757, and there's usually 174 seats on an A320 and they do fine with 4 crew on the A320, why do they think they need another member of cabin crew for the 757?
Anyone able to actually fill in what's going on?
At the minute there's 8 cabin crew on 1 aircraft, come March, there'll be 4 crew on two aircraft, so still 8. Exactly where is the union seeing the issue here? Also, if there's only 176 seats on the 757, and there's usually 174 seats on an A320 and they do fine with 4 crew on the A320, why do they think they need another member of cabin crew for the 757?
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New Aer Lingus jobs will not now go ahead - RTÉ News
This makes my blood boil. The biggest obstacle facing EI is not FR but these
unions.
This makes my blood boil. The biggest obstacle facing EI is not FR but these
unions.
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Aer Lingus can offer their current cabin crew in Shannon the 4 per flight deal again or they can just crew the flights with staff provided from ASL who get trained up by Aer Lingus anyway. Either way it's win win situation, 4 per flight keeps costs down or ASL who would be even cheaper, unless of course this escalates to an all out strike which is unlikely IMO.
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VkidNot to long ago maintenance staff were up in arms about being asked to relocate or get sacked. As I said before it's purely political reasons for LHR flights and T/A, they had to cut costs and this was next best thing as they couldn't close the routes while Gov own part of the carrier. I'm sure the 3 LHR slots would do well at ork and dub if they could be moved.
Nice to se management swift action this evening and in the publics eyes the unions look bad while EI don't expect much to come out of this possible strike.
Nothing mentioned about the B757 in dub for the summer, I expect siptu may not take the same line as unite.
Nice to se management swift action this evening and in the publics eyes the unions look bad while EI don't expect much to come out of this possible strike.
Nothing mentioned about the B757 in dub for the summer, I expect siptu may not take the same line as unite.
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Why was SNN-LHR brought back then? It was axed when Belfast was opened and yet returned with some awful timings some time later. Those slots won't help Cork and Dublin is near saturation?
Also, and I am asking as I don't know, will four temporary worse paid contract staff give as good or poorer service than five full time EI career cabin crew? Are EI staff so bad? I have always liked them.
Also, and I am asking as I don't know, will four temporary worse paid contract staff give as good or poorer service than five full time EI career cabin crew? Are EI staff so bad? I have always liked them.
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will four temporary worse paid contract staff give as good or poorer service than five full time EI career cabin crew
Yikes, thats why I took up ordinary Maths! 
In the Summer, definitely yes and in certain aspects of the Winter season also I think you'll find EI actually carry more passengers in say February on peak days like Thursdays through to Sundays then they would on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays!
SH Mainline was down by 54k with Regional up by 13k as there may be some cannibalisation.
Had not expected Sept to be down.
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Correct me if wrong but don't schools in Ireland start back earlier, so 1st Sept would be within school term. Hence less people travelling anyway from or two holidays.
The peak months of holiday travel in Ireland would really be July and August with the second half of June also very busy.
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Why was SNN-LHR brought back then? It was axed when Belfast was opened and yet returned with some awful timings some time later. Those slots won't help Cork and Dublin is near saturation?
Also, and I am asking as I don't know, will four temporary worse paid contract staff give as good or poorer service than five full time EI career cabin crew? Are EI staff so bad? I have always liked them.
Also, and I am asking as I don't know, will four temporary worse paid contract staff give as good or poorer service than five full time EI career cabin crew? Are EI staff so bad? I have always liked them.
EI have lost 163 million on SNN T/A routes between 95 and 2010, do you believe that any other carrier with no political pressure would of kept these routes with those losses.
The B757 may save the future of them but will they remain year round remains to be seen.
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B757's will have 174 seats and 4 crew of course the unions would like 5, it would probably be to much hard work for the 4 crew!
Does that mean the dispute is over, or does that mean they've gone the other way?
Anyone able to actually fill in what's going on?
At the minute there's 8 cabin crew on 1 aircraft, come March, there'll be 4 crew on two aircraft, so still 8. Exactly where is the union seeing the issue here? Also, if there's only 176 seats on the 757, and there's usually 174 seats on an A320 and they do fine with 4 crew on the A320, why do they think they need another member of cabin crew for the 757?
Anyone able to actually fill in what's going on?
At the minute there's 8 cabin crew on 1 aircraft, come March, there'll be 4 crew on two aircraft, so still 8. Exactly where is the union seeing the issue here? Also, if there's only 176 seats on the 757, and there's usually 174 seats on an A320 and they do fine with 4 crew on the A320, why do they think they need another member of cabin crew for the 757?
EI unions took a realistic approach and were looking for 5, and EI have refused to sit down and talk.
EI are looking for service delivery similar to Etihad, but want the absolute minimum crew, which doesn't add up. Having flown United across the Atlantic on a 757, they offer a very good service... I doubt it would be as good if they had 50% less crew!
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[quote]Exactly. It is to much work for 4 crew[/QUOTE
Is it to much work for 4 crew on the A320 on a 4h30m flight to TFS from DUB, SNN-JFK isn't much longer. Crew are largely done and dusted with services 2 hours into the flights.
I don't think EY standards are required from SNN.
Is it to much work for 4 crew on the A320 on a 4h30m flight to TFS from DUB, SNN-JFK isn't much longer. Crew are largely done and dusted with services 2 hours into the flights.
EI's 320s operate with 4 crew and 174 seats, BUT, they operate an all economy buy onboard service, on sectors up to 4.5 hours. A T/A operation with a full service Business and Economy service cannot be done with 4 crew. All major operators across the atlantic (UA, US, DL and AA) operate with 6 crew; UA operate domestic services with 4 crew, but only offer a bar service, and meals/bar in Business.
EI unions took a realistic approach and were looking for 5, and EI have refused to sit down and talk.
EI are looking for service delivery similar to Etihad, but want the absolute minimum crew, which doesn't add up. Having flown United across the Atlantic on a 757, they offer a very good service... I doubt it would be as good if they had 50% less crew!
EI unions took a realistic approach and were looking for 5, and EI have refused to sit down and talk.
EI are looking for service delivery similar to Etihad, but want the absolute minimum crew, which doesn't add up. Having flown United across the Atlantic on a 757, they offer a very good service... I doubt it would be as good if they had 50% less crew!
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While I think 4 should be fine, the consequences on one member of cabin crew becoming ill down route, might blow away the savings as they'd have to cancel the entire flight home, so 5 allows more reliability on that front.
Still though, threatening to ballot members for action is not the right move, and certainly not to shout it from the roof tops to the public looking for support, the public will be firmly on EI's side in this debate.
Still though, threatening to ballot members for action is not the right move, and certainly not to shout it from the roof tops to the public looking for support, the public will be firmly on EI's side in this debate.