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Old 17th Sep 2013, 20:16
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Non EU as per my previous post.
Why would they seek a minority shareholding ?

True. Wouldn't work, I overlooked the fact Turkey ain't in the EU.

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 20:18
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True. Wouldn't work, I overlooked the fact Turkey ain't in the EU.
Number of options become quite limited when that is considered.
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 20:41
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Those of you mentioning long haul out of Belfast, remember that an A320 or 738 can't even use City fully loaded due to the short runway, hence why FR pulled out. If EI wanted to go long haul from Belfast they would have to go back to Aldergrove. Given that Aldergrove only has a single UA 757 to EWR everyday, I don't think there is a market there. The A350 can't use Dublin fully loaded for the same reason, will only be able to go to ORD, YYZ, JFK, BOS and possibly MCO with a full passenger load. I wonder what EI has planned for them, since they have got 9 on order.......

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 21:22
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This is an interesting debate, though given the references to the LHR slots, this would lead to a belief that it will be from a subset of LHR carriers.

Draw from that and couple with suggestions that it may be unlikely to be a non EU carrier the list is significantly reduced. EI may eye joining an underperforming carrier, one with opportunities to improve. Like the suggestion that VS was on the cards and thankfully that didn't come to pass as VS could bring the entired operation down ala Swiss and Sabena in a sort of way.

SAS has had its troubles and is a significant LHR slot holder, opportunity to improve.

Aegean is trying to complete the take over of OA and is meeting some hurdles, perhaps bringing EI into the mix as a joint partner could be something to consider. But what could EI bring to the table? Perhaps a replication of EI model in Greece, Aegean in and out of LHR quite a bit.

Still I see IAG as the one, despite WW's protestations to the contrary, at the end of the day if he signalled his intentions, what would this do to the valuation/ share price, could be expensive.

It would seem likely that Etihad and FR will remain on the share register, 3% for EY and potentially a 5% shareholding for FR post the wrangling with EU competition authority. I would expect that FR will hold onto to some shareholding to keep in the picture.

If we looked at this through the following filter, what EU airlines:
  • Serve Heathrow
  • Have challenges and perhaps need a partner
  • Operate similar fleets
  • Could benefit from a merger with EI given its TA operations and relatively low cost model (vis a vis other legacy carriers)
The answer possibly on this shortlist?

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 21:38
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It would seem likely that Etihad and FR will remain on the share register, 3% for EY and potentially a 5% shareholding for FR post the wrangling with EU competition authority. I would expect that FR will hold onto to some shareholding to keep in the picture.
Once a company has 90% of shares in a takeover then can legally acquire the other 10%, its (legally has to be) at the same price as they acquired all the rest of the shares so holding out to the last minute gains zilch. Manchester United supporters found this out when Glazers bought it.
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 21:42
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FR shareholding

Don't worry folks ducksie told me he has given up on these shares so we can at last look forward to a joint venture westbound and the acquisition eastbound

Ducksie told me today 250 mill was an acceptable loss and job is safe
And who says shareholders have intelligence !

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 22:25
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@MCDU2 If IAG bought Aer Lingus, it would not be merged into BA. It would remain a separate operating subsidiary. I don't know what that would mean for staff travel rights across IAG subsidiaries.

Whenever asked about whether IAG is interested in buying more airlines their response is usually "we're not interested in anyone at the moment" and it has in its short life bought bmi and Vueling.

I can see some attractions for IAG, namely the LHR slots and the transatlantic potential. However, this is not quite as game changing as bmi or Vueling. Also as Aer Lingus and BA both serve LHR-DUB a potentially material number of Aer Lingus slots would have to be divested to any willing new entrant on the LHR-DUB route.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 08:13
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You can now rule out IAG at the moment as Willie Walsh has just stated no further acquisitions in Europe for now as there maybe better value elsewhere around the globe. View article
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 08:49
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The A350 can't use Dublin fully loaded for the same reason, will only be able to go to ORD, YYZ, JFK, BOS and possibly MCO with a full passenger load. I wonder what EI has planned for them, since they have got 9 on order.......
The issues surrounding DUB having one of (if not the) shortest main runway of any primary airport serving a European capital have been discusses around this parish a number of times. When EI were placing their A350 order the new 28R/10L was still expected to be built this decade and it was planned to be 3110m long, as opposed to the 2637m of the current runway.

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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:21
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You can now rule out IAG at the moment as Willie Walsh has just stated no further acquisitions in Europe for now as there maybe better value elsewhere around the globe. View article
No company is going to announce their intentions because in doing so they will be required to make a bid as it will impact the shareprice and stock exchanges don't like companies stating something and not doing it.

Statement from IAG is correct at exact time it was made, 5 minutes after that it was history and no longer applies.

IAG will make a bid IF it is in their interests to do so, I'm not convinced as of this minute it is, tomorrow well that is a different matter.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:38
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I would personally think that it is more in IAG's interest to acquire a decent stake in EI (c. 20%) than to acquire the whole of the business.

That way, they can block a takeover by a competitor, but not run into the kind of anti-monopoly problems that a full takeover would produce.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if Ryanair sold a large chunk of their shares to IAG in one go.

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Old 21st Sep 2013, 16:18
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Any update on the plans for the 757's, as in delivery date and final configuration/crew compliment?

The seat map on EI.com is only showing 8 Business class seats on the 757s now?? They were originally meant to be configured with 12?
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 18:11
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The configuration on the 757 is 12. The first row of seats are just not selectable on-line for safety reasons I'm guessing.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 19:13
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I believe 5 cabin crew is the minimum for 757 on the Irish register.
The configuration will be 12J 162Y, PTVs and AVOD throughout, near lie-flats in business, apparently.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 16:50
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"The issues surrounding DUB having one of (if not the) shortest main runway of any primary airport serving a European capital have been discusses around this parish a number of times. When EI were placing their A350 order the new 28R/10L was still expected to be built this decade and it was planned to be 3110m long, as opposed to the 2637m of the current runway."

It would be very easy to convert those orders into A330's, they have deferred delivery of some, but not all of them. First 4 arrive in 2015 I believe?
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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 01:12
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After a summer crewing problems have ended, there LH services have a run of bad look. Over the last while a tech fault on departure from ORD, fuel system fire in BOS and one A330 struck by lighting twice within days while doing DUB-AGP route. B767 and B777 had be leased to cover.

Its has being a costly few months for them however its reported the summer costs were around the 2 million mark as both EI and Titan have a long standing agreement.

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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 20:41
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Trouble ahead ?

Aer Lingus cabin crew in strike ballot threat - RTÉ News

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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 21:01
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It won't come to strike, crew in SNN will be told to fly the B757 or sacked. They have done it before.

Shannon based EI staff always have something to moan or threaten strike. Once the state sells there stake you will be lucky if EI keep SNN on the map.
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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 21:09
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Oy Vey...
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Old 3rd Oct 2013, 23:47
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How many seats are there to be on the 757s to be flown by Aer Lingus. If it is more than 199 seats there has to be at least five cabin crew involved in the crew and if there are 12 biz class seats maybe there will be another crew member too????

One would have thought the strong snn lobby would be so thrilled to have year round flights to New York etc that they would be quiet and give thanks!

Makes it interesting I suppose.
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