Aer Lingus - 6

[Aerlingus231]

Indeed, looks like manegement refused to pay them their increments that they were owed this year after a 5 year pay freeze. Here's the link:

Aer Lingus vote threatens travel misery for 150,000 - Independent.ie

[MCDU2]

At the same time the management take home ever increasing bonuses paid for by the staff and AL is one of only 3 European airlines that are consistently making huge profits - quote our lovely CEO.

[ayroplain]

LOL, I love the cut and thrust of these Forums. Still, more worry and stress for EI pax hoping their holidays won't be ruined again. The increases being sought are so unreal (assuming they are as reported).

[Jamie2k9]

People are looking way to much into this.

Remember this is the independent a paper who's journalists haven't a clue about transport, even the daily mail could produce a better and more accurate article. Post credible sources.

Anyway I don't expect the strike to happen and I have just booked flights for that weekend!

[Aerlingus231]

Agreed, this is more of just a bargaining tool that the pilots have thrown into the ring in the negociations. They won't strike on the busiest weekend of the year, most journeys for that weekend will likely have already been booked as this is being announced 6 weeks ahead so it looks like they're attepting to limit any damage to the company, whether the strike goes ahead or not, other then the last minute bookers.

I don't think you can deny them their increments if it was part of the deal for the 5 year pay freeze and 12% pay cut, that they'd get them back this year, they've made a profit for the past 4 (5?) years, so the management don't really have a leg to stand on in denying them the increments.

[Hangar6]

EI winter t/a?

Folks any idea when this will be announced ? b757 ex SNn , extra route etc?

DL went to 3 ex dub today
EY going 777 3jul
AA doing the usual with their schedule to Ord

A busy summer and getting cramped in T2 already

[Jamie2k9]

I don't think you can deny them their increments if it was part of the deal for the 5 year pay freeze and 12% pay cut, that they'd get them back this year, they've made a profit for the past 4 (5?) years, so the management don't really have a leg to stand on in denying them the increments.

They are not denying them just delaying them. Pilots need to face the reality they won't get what they want and management are right to push for a better deal and pilots even if they do strike will just have to deal with it and accept lower increments.

In the long term a better deal will be of more benefit to the airline and it's employees.

[Aerlingus231]

I imagine the compromise will be something along the line of starting the increments again, paying the increment for this year, but that's it, they won't get back the increments they've lost for the past 5, that's just lost. Sounds reasonable enough, although who knows, seeing as they were promised all their increments they may have had plans for that extra bit in their wage packet, either way, sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.

[racedo]

Remember this is the independent a paper who's journalists haven't a clue about transport, even the daily mail could produce a better and more accurate article. Post credible sources.

So are you claiming the Pilots haven't threatened to strike ? or that the Independent somehow got their demands incorrect ?

[Hangar6]

Yes there is no threat of strike action

Worth reading even the deadline headline sorry

[Jamie2k9]

So are you claiming the Pilots haven't threatened to strike ? or that the Independent somehow got their demands incorrect ?

That's what I am saying, they haven't threatened to strike.

[Hangar6]

Irish times today

Looking like Sfo and YYZ are firming up ?

[Aerlingus231]

The above mentioned link for anyone interested:
State to become a ?more active? shareholder in Aer Lingus now that stake is not being sold - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 21, 2013

Good to see the state taking a more active role in EI, if they're going to keep their stake they may as well be putting it to good use.

[dublinaviator]

State to become a "more active" shareholder in Aer Lingus now that stake is not being sold - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 21, 2013

“The Minister wants the Government to pursue a more active shareholder role, including securing new routes which will benefit trade and tourism and the payment of an annual dividend,” said a spokesman for the Minister.

Aer Lingus is also expected to confirm routes from Dublin to San Francisco on the US west coast and Toronto in Canada.

[Aerlingus231]

Beat you to it...

[Paul_from_Dublin]

Without giving away any commercially sensitive information, does anyone know if the SFO route is likely to be in place before Oct this year? EI currently fly to ORD and put you on UA for the SFO leg. I'd hate to book via ORD only to find a non stop is launched shortly afterwards. Thanks.

[racedo]

That's what I am saying, they haven't threatened to strike.

So a vote for industrial action by Pilots has not taken place ?

[Aerlingus231]

No, a vote allowing the union to bargain with industrial action has taken place.

[EISNN]

So a vote for industrial action by Pilots has not taken place

Yes a vote for 'INDUSTRIAL ACTION' has taken place. Industrial action doesn't necessarily mean dropping tools and walking out on the job. It can mean working to rule ie working strictly to their terms and conditions without offering any flexibility.

[racedo]

No, a vote allowing the union to bargain with industrial action has taken place.

So union has a mandate to strike BUT a date had not yet been decided upon.