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Old 28th May 2015, 22:06
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With the takeover and closing of BD by IAG, there is no shortage of slots at LHR for BA , so let‘s knock that particular bit of misinformation on the head.
Of course it's about the LHR slots. This is IAG setting itself up in anticipation of a "NO" decision on LHR R3. If or when that happens there is no way IAG is going to continue running 21 plus flights a day on LHR-DUB ad infinitum.

At some point in the future at least some of those BA operated LHR-DUB slots will be quietly reallocated to other routes, with perhaps larger aircraft operating the remaining dozen or more frequencies. IAG may not be admitting that now until the deal is all done and dusted, and it may not happen for another five or ten years, but it will happen...

All the current media hype is about growing DUB as a North Atlantic hub for IAG with connections from all over the UK, new routes, more jobs etc etc. But slots at LHR, and the future potential of those 8 or so pairs of BA operated slots, are very much in IAG's sights as well.
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Old 28th May 2015, 22:30
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I'm sure part is about slots but I am also sure WW realizes that people don't want to fly via LHR like they did 10 years ago. Something a new runway won't change and he will have to deal with. Not sure people from Ireland will fly via LHR to fly east either. BA drop their 8 daily when required but suspect a few other frequencies will be up the peaking order.

I believe RY3 will be given the go ahead, if the Tories are about the "economy" they will clear it. I'm sure LGW will manage to fill their new runway with bucket and spade operators but we know major players in the market won't fly from there runway or not.
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Old 28th May 2015, 22:55
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With this deal looking extremely likely now , will the A350s
Still arrive when due ?

And would the fleet grow to about 60 in years to come ?
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Old 28th May 2015, 23:00
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350's contracts were signed last year and planned for 2018-2020 provided Airbus make them on time.
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Old 29th May 2015, 12:18
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EI and VY are hardly the same!
EI short haul product is very similar to VY - pay on board food, baggage fees, seat selection fees etc. Only difference is VY have more bases and possibly a lower cost base.
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Old 29th May 2015, 23:13
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When Little Red ceases its flights to Edinburgh and Aberdeen, the only domestic flights at T2 will be Aer Lingus to Belfast. Is it likely that BA will take over these flights and transfer the slots (under the agreement with the Irish Government, these slots need only be retained for an Irish route, not a specific one) to itself at T5, compensating by transferring 3 Dublin flights to Aer Lingus at T2?
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Old 30th May 2015, 09:43
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Any ideas how the extra DUB-JFK is selling? I'd expect the early departure from Dublin is popular, but the return will probably struggle!

With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
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Old 30th May 2015, 15:57
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I love having the option of a daytime return from JFK and would take that every time over an overnight.
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Old 30th May 2015, 19:42
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Fairdealfrank,
I don't think it is misinformation, but thanks. So if BA want to launch a new route where do the slots come from, this statement would suggest that there are slots available? They clearly are using all slots at the moment?
Despite BD’s Heathrow slots being asset stripped by the LH group (14% of LHR slots reduced to 8%), the amount of slots inherited by BA should not be underestimated.

This "windfall" came before several new longhaul aircraft are delivered, so several point-to-point shorthaul holiday routes from LHR have been introduced in the interim. Some may call them slot sitters (couldn't possibly comment on this), and when those slots are needed for longhaul, these routes may shift to LGW/LCY.

Moreover, come the end of September, BA get another 9 slot pairs from VS when they close LHR-EDI and LHR-ABZ.


My view is not any less valid than yours.
No, it isn’t!

With both airlines being part of the same organisation, my view is that it is completely plausible as it was between 1991 and 2012, that EI was the BA feeder ex Dublin, and BA not serving the route. Fewer flights with larger aircraft is completely workable, i.e. 321's across say 17/18 services offering the same capacity apart from freeing up slots (which you say they are not short of if required), is lower cost and more efficient way of using resources. Couple that with BA not having a base in Dublin could make the business case stronger. This is a scenario that I see as realistic, though I hope it is not.
Thick shorthaul trunk routes need frequency, apart from anything else, business pax demand it. So apart from the circumstances outlined before (BA and EI flights leaving at the same time), most BA and EI on LHR-DUB would probably remain.

Maybe one carrier would do all the flights with the other’s flight numbers on as well, but this isn’t the case on LHR-MAD where both BA and IB are on the route.

Yes this is correct, but I was citing BCN as an example of where BA have moved to an exclusing position. I think BA would have a far greater interesting in being part of LHR MAD in order to access a market that they do not currently serve as comprehensively as IB, i.e. south America. BA service to Dublin will aim to feed passengers to the US as almost all of the destinations are duplicates and as I said earlier, when BA vacated ROI, EI filled the space excellently codeshares in place via London.

I am not suggesting for a second that DUB LHR is a loss maker for BA, I am simply expressing that efficiencies to be achieved by consolidating their position, less flights, bigger aircraft , i.e. 321s rather than 319s and broadly gain the same capacity still at very regular frequencies.

In a position where IAG owns both carriers, there certainly are economies to be achieves, and equally on BHD LHR where loads a far from high, often only in the 60%'s, there is case that EI could be done without or BA for that matter, doesn't mean that either carriers are losing money. There is a commercial logic in rationalising the operation, as has been the case on BCN LHR....
Good points, but does it matter how it's done? No other carrier would want to do the route, so surrendering slots on LHR-DUB to a third (non-IAG) carrier wouldn't be an issue.

Anyone notice how quiet VS has been about this?!




Of course it's about the LHR slots. This is IAG setting itself up in anticipation of a "NO" decision on LHR R3. If or when that happens there is no way IAG is going to continue running 21 plus flights a day on LHR-DUB ad infinitum.
It’s about slots in one respect only: IAG wouldn’t want someone else to grab the EI LHR slots. For the foreseeable, the slots remain allocated on LHR-DUB, LHR-ORK and LHR-SNN, it’s part of the agreement with the Irish government. In the longer term, who knows?

EI short haul product is very similar to VY - pay on board food, baggage fees, seat selection fees etc. Only difference is VY have more bases and possibly a lower cost base.
True, but EI is also more like the former BD:
(1) mostly a shorthaul carrier but also some longhaul routes;
(2) pay on board for various things on shorthaul, but not on longhaul;
(3) separate regional section separate from mainline.


When Little Red ceases its flights to Edinburgh and Aberdeen, the only domestic flights at T2 will be Aer Lingus to Belfast. Is it likely that BA will take over these flights and transfer the slots (under the agreement with the Irish Government, these slots need only be retained for an Irish route, not a specific one) to itself at T5, compensating by transferring 3 Dublin flights to Aer Lingus at T2?
EI’s LHR-BHD are UK domestic, not a UK-(Republic of) Ireland route. Why would it be any concern of the Irish government?

Think EI would move to LHR-5 if part of IAG, it would be stupid not to, especially as the common travel area arrivals section is now established there.
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Old 31st May 2015, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank
EI’s LHR-BHD are UK domestic, not a UK-(Republic of) Ireland route. Why would it be any concern of the Irish government?
Um... try this.

I'm already seeing moaning from FB friends in the UK about some BA routes not being in 5, can't imagine they would be thrilled to have even more do so in order for Team Green to move in!
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Old 31st May 2015, 19:49
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I think EI will retain at least some form of presence in T2 for now. They have just spent a lot of money on a lounge there. A lot of flights would have to be moved out of T5 to accommodate EI's entire LHR operation. Also, EI being in T2 serves IAG's interest to an extent as it means they can easily keep tabs on what's going on there, just as BA used to at T3 when it had one route there (MIA).
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Old 1st Jun 2015, 17:39
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IAG may help EI have a stab at going back east with China, Japan and India suggested with China most likely first.

IAG boss Willie Walsh wants expanded Aer Lingus to target Asian destinations - Independent.ie
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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 19:06
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BHX-SNN

Winter 2015/6

Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.

Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.

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Old 8th Jun 2015, 14:22
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Re: IAG


Confirmation that the 'unmentionable one' is almost out of the equation.
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 14:24
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Winter 2015/6

Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.

Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.

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AFAIK Aer Lingus are currently finalising their timetable for winter 2015/16 atm. I've noticed a few small changes lately.
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 14:26
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Interesting to note that they hope to continue to work with EI in IAG and felt there was willinginess from IAG!
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 16:29
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Originally Posted by johnrizzo2000
Any ideas how the extra DUB-JFK is selling? I'd expect the early departure from Dublin is popular, but the return will probably struggle!

With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
Absolutely no! There are enough flights from the New York metropolitan area that leave at many different times:

10:10pm Delta
6:45pm American
9:00pm Aer Lingus
5:30pm Aer Lingus
7:00pm United
10:15pm United

6 flights isn't enough!? There are no other dayflights to Ireland, if you want a dayflight you need to backtrack over to Heathrow. The dayflight is also the latest dayflight so it is at a reasonable time, plenty of time for connections and no need to get up at 4am! Definitely rooting for this dayflight, i'm booked on it this summer and so happy to be! I think you and others can cope with one 757 flight!! Many people find it incredibly hard to fly at night and jump forward in time.
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 16:32
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I know lots of people praising the day return flight. The 7:20 flight isnt even the point being talked about, its the day flight to DUB.
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 16:34
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Originally Posted by Noxegon
I love having the option of a daytime return from JFK and would take that every time over an overnight.
Exactly. What is the problem with one 757. Frigging hell.
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 16:35
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
I know lots of people praising the day return flight. The 7:20 flight isnt even the point being talked about, its the day flight to DUB.
Its great isn't it. It actually leaves at a good time and doesn't get in too late.
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