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With the takeover and closing of BD by IAG, there is no shortage of slots at LHR for BA , so let‘s knock that particular bit of misinformation on the head.
At some point in the future at least some of those BA operated LHR-DUB slots will be quietly reallocated to other routes, with perhaps larger aircraft operating the remaining dozen or more frequencies. IAG may not be admitting that now until the deal is all done and dusted, and it may not happen for another five or ten years, but it will happen...
All the current media hype is about growing DUB as a North Atlantic hub for IAG with connections from all over the UK, new routes, more jobs etc etc. But slots at LHR, and the future potential of those 8 or so pairs of BA operated slots, are very much in IAG's sights as well.
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I'm sure part is about slots but I am also sure WW realizes that people don't want to fly via LHR like they did 10 years ago. Something a new runway won't change and he will have to deal with. Not sure people from Ireland will fly via LHR to fly east either. BA drop their 8 daily when required but suspect a few other frequencies will be up the peaking order.
I believe RY3 will be given the go ahead, if the Tories are about the "economy" they will clear it. I'm sure LGW will manage to fill their new runway with bucket and spade operators but we know major players in the market won't fly from there runway or not.
I believe RY3 will be given the go ahead, if the Tories are about the "economy" they will clear it. I'm sure LGW will manage to fill their new runway with bucket and spade operators but we know major players in the market won't fly from there runway or not.
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When Little Red ceases its flights to Edinburgh and Aberdeen, the only domestic flights at T2 will be Aer Lingus to Belfast. Is it likely that BA will take over these flights and transfer the slots (under the agreement with the Irish Government, these slots need only be retained for an Irish route, not a specific one) to itself at T5, compensating by transferring 3 Dublin flights to Aer Lingus at T2?
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Any ideas how the extra DUB-JFK is selling? I'd expect the early departure from Dublin is popular, but the return will probably struggle!
With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
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Fairdealfrank,
I don't think it is misinformation, but thanks. So if BA want to launch a new route where do the slots come from, this statement would suggest that there are slots available? They clearly are using all slots at the moment?
I don't think it is misinformation, but thanks. So if BA want to launch a new route where do the slots come from, this statement would suggest that there are slots available? They clearly are using all slots at the moment?
This "windfall" came before several new longhaul aircraft are delivered, so several point-to-point shorthaul holiday routes from LHR have been introduced in the interim. Some may call them slot sitters (couldn't possibly comment on this), and when those slots are needed for longhaul, these routes may shift to LGW/LCY.
Moreover, come the end of September, BA get another 9 slot pairs from VS when they close LHR-EDI and LHR-ABZ.
My view is not any less valid than yours.
With both airlines being part of the same organisation, my view is that it is completely plausible as it was between 1991 and 2012, that EI was the BA feeder ex Dublin, and BA not serving the route. Fewer flights with larger aircraft is completely workable, i.e. 321's across say 17/18 services offering the same capacity apart from freeing up slots (which you say they are not short of if required), is lower cost and more efficient way of using resources. Couple that with BA not having a base in Dublin could make the business case stronger. This is a scenario that I see as realistic, though I hope it is not.
Maybe one carrier would do all the flights with the other’s flight numbers on as well, but this isn’t the case on LHR-MAD where both BA and IB are on the route.
Yes this is correct, but I was citing BCN as an example of where BA have moved to an exclusing position. I think BA would have a far greater interesting in being part of LHR MAD in order to access a market that they do not currently serve as comprehensively as IB, i.e. south America. BA service to Dublin will aim to feed passengers to the US as almost all of the destinations are duplicates and as I said earlier, when BA vacated ROI, EI filled the space excellently codeshares in place via London.
I am not suggesting for a second that DUB LHR is a loss maker for BA, I am simply expressing that efficiencies to be achieved by consolidating their position, less flights, bigger aircraft , i.e. 321s rather than 319s and broadly gain the same capacity still at very regular frequencies.
In a position where IAG owns both carriers, there certainly are economies to be achieves, and equally on BHD LHR where loads a far from high, often only in the 60%'s, there is case that EI could be done without or BA for that matter, doesn't mean that either carriers are losing money. There is a commercial logic in rationalising the operation, as has been the case on BCN LHR....
I am not suggesting for a second that DUB LHR is a loss maker for BA, I am simply expressing that efficiencies to be achieved by consolidating their position, less flights, bigger aircraft , i.e. 321s rather than 319s and broadly gain the same capacity still at very regular frequencies.
In a position where IAG owns both carriers, there certainly are economies to be achieves, and equally on BHD LHR where loads a far from high, often only in the 60%'s, there is case that EI could be done without or BA for that matter, doesn't mean that either carriers are losing money. There is a commercial logic in rationalising the operation, as has been the case on BCN LHR....
Anyone notice how quiet VS has been about this?!
Of course it's about the LHR slots. This is IAG setting itself up in anticipation of a "NO" decision on LHR R3. If or when that happens there is no way IAG is going to continue running 21 plus flights a day on LHR-DUB ad infinitum.
EI short haul product is very similar to VY - pay on board food, baggage fees, seat selection fees etc. Only difference is VY have more bases and possibly a lower cost base.
(1) mostly a shorthaul carrier but also some longhaul routes;
(2) pay on board for various things on shorthaul, but not on longhaul;
(3) separate regional section separate from mainline.
When Little Red ceases its flights to Edinburgh and Aberdeen, the only domestic flights at T2 will be Aer Lingus to Belfast. Is it likely that BA will take over these flights and transfer the slots (under the agreement with the Irish Government, these slots need only be retained for an Irish route, not a specific one) to itself at T5, compensating by transferring 3 Dublin flights to Aer Lingus at T2?
Think EI would move to LHR-5 if part of IAG, it would be stupid not to, especially as the common travel area arrivals section is now established there.
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Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank
EI’s LHR-BHD are UK domestic, not a UK-(Republic of) Ireland route. Why would it be any concern of the Irish government?
I'm already seeing moaning from FB friends in the UK about some BA routes not being in 5, can't imagine they would be thrilled to have even more do so in order for Team Green to move in!
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I think EI will retain at least some form of presence in T2 for now. They have just spent a lot of money on a lounge there. A lot of flights would have to be moved out of T5 to accommodate EI's entire LHR operation. Also, EI being in T2 serves IAG's interest to an extent as it means they can easily keep tabs on what's going on there, just as BA used to at T3 when it had one route there (MIA).
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IAG may help EI have a stab at going back east with China, Japan and India suggested with China most likely first.
IAG boss Willie Walsh wants expanded Aer Lingus to target Asian destinations - Independent.ie
IAG boss Willie Walsh wants expanded Aer Lingus to target Asian destinations - Independent.ie
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Winter 2015/6
Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.
Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.
Pete
Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.
Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.
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Winter 2015/6
Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.
Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.
Pete
Are Aer Lingus Regional intending to operate the BHX - SNN route this winter from the Dublin base? The BHX Cork timings are showing 20.40 in, 21.05 out compared to later this month 16.30 in 21.05 out with Shannon operating in between.
Aer Lingus mainline have added a 5th BHX - DUB rotation on Thursday's and Friday's similar to last winter but still no sign of the 6th as indicated in the press.
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Any ideas how the extra DUB-JFK is selling? I'd expect the early departure from Dublin is popular, but the return will probably struggle!
With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
With the aircraft in Dublin from its arrival at 23.40 until departure the next morning, I wonder would EI consider having the aircraft sit in JFK for a few hours, and have the departure around 19.00? That would stagger the JFK-DUB flights to being at 17.30, approx 19.00 and 21.30?
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6 flights isn't enough!? There are no other dayflights to Ireland, if you want a dayflight you need to backtrack over to Heathrow. The dayflight is also the latest dayflight so it is at a reasonable time, plenty of time for connections and no need to get up at 4am! Definitely rooting for this dayflight, i'm booked on it this summer and so happy to be! I think you and others can cope with one 757 flight!! Many people find it incredibly hard to fly at night and jump forward in time.
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