The fat lady has sung: American Airlines buys Airbus and Boeing
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Here today, elsewhere tomorrow
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
320 backlog is aprox 4 years now if you want it straight from manufacturer.
With so many planes for AA, not sure there are many slots left however, even with Delta and Southwest looking at ordering "something." Perhaps one, but not both airlines, most likely...
mostly harmless
What I don't understand is why, when Boeing launched the 737NG, they didn't opt instead for a 757 shrink + re-wing. The 757 had a newer basic design than the 737-3/4/500. At the time of the NG launch, the 757 appeared to have a good future: the 757-300 development was, as far as I remember, about the same period.
If Boeing had updated/shrunk the 757, would they not be in a better position now? What am I missing? (Just an SLF here).
If Boeing had updated/shrunk the 757, would they not be in a better position now? What am I missing? (Just an SLF here).
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Expatsylvania
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just a quick point of order:
United's never quite been married to the Boeing brand. Students of history will remember the minor shock they created when they chose the DC-8 over the B707.
United, Boeing's first born, has all 320s. Why wouldn't AA order some? It is a superb a/c, ask Sullenberger.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Posts: 3,780
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good grief...they bought what they bought, Air France has Boeings..everybody has everything....
Military aircraft are a different scenario,...should be home-grown, for Europeans as well as us Yanks...'nuff said...
Military aircraft are a different scenario,...should be home-grown, for Europeans as well as us Yanks...'nuff said...
Guest
Posts: n/a
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: US
Posts: 604
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
United's never quite been married to the Boeing brand. Students of history will remember the minor shock they created when they chose the DC-8 over the B707.
Actually it was a three way split. Pratt & Whitney (hence the holding company still being "United Technologies"), United Airlines (ex-Boeing Air Transport) and Boeing Aircraft. Hamilton Standard (propellers), Sikorsky, and Chance Vought were also in the combine. It was broken up under US anti-trust laws in the early 1930s.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Jose, Costa Rica
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
@ Bearfoil,
If you are so afraid to fly on the Bus, then you should be afraid of flying on the 737 too...remember the actuator problem and the USAir crash?
**** happens all the time...at the end of the day, the design problems were amended and those problems did not happen again on both models..
If you are so afraid to fly on the Bus, then you should be afraid of flying on the 737 too...remember the actuator problem and the USAir crash?
**** happens all the time...at the end of the day, the design problems were amended and those problems did not happen again on both models..
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: US
Posts: 2,205
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
answer=42 (post 43) -
What I don't understand is why, when Boeing launched the 737NG, they didn't opt instead for a 757 shrink + re-wing. The 757 had a newer basic design than the 737-3/4/500. At the time of the NG launch, the 757 appeared to have a good future: the 757-300 development was, as far as I remember, about the same period.
If Boeing had updated/shrunk the 757, would they not be in a better position now? What am I missing? (Just an SLF here).
*****
Due to cost of re-engineering and Southwest's influence on keeping the changes (no 757 cockpit/nose on NG
) to a minimum. It was cheaper to update the 737 than it was to shrink the 757.
What I don't understand is why, when Boeing launched the 737NG, they didn't opt instead for a 757 shrink + re-wing. The 757 had a newer basic design than the 737-3/4/500. At the time of the NG launch, the 757 appeared to have a good future: the 757-300 development was, as far as I remember, about the same period.
If Boeing had updated/shrunk the 757, would they not be in a better position now? What am I missing? (Just an SLF here).
*****
Due to cost of re-engineering and Southwest's influence on keeping the changes (no 757 cockpit/nose on NG
) to a minimum. It was cheaper to update the 737 than it was to shrink the 757.
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: flyover country USA
Age: 82
Posts: 4,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
More detail on the 1934 breakup of the old United Aircraft may be found on the P&W wiki article.
How much (ball pack (sp?) figures would cost the option to upgrade the engines as the case of the newer generation of 737 vs designing an aircraft from scratch.
And also could the parts of the re-engine 737 could be transfered on the newer aircraft?
Rwy in Sight
And also could the parts of the re-engine 737 could be transfered on the newer aircraft?
Rwy in Sight
The A320Neo is a question of substituting engines and bolting on winglets.
The 737Neo is a different matter because the new engine has insufficient clearance as is, so a new longer landing gear is required, which in turn requires fuselage underbelly mods to stow it when retracted, different positioning of bulkheads, etc. Believe there are also significant wing mods required. I understand the engineering required is a whole league different compared to what Airbus need to do, which is doubtless part of the greater evaluation Boeing has to do. I also wonder if the A320Neo will get on the same type certificate, and therefore crew qualification, and whether the Boeing, with much greater changes, can do the same or not.
It's remeniscent of when the DC8-60 series came along, Douglas could do the stretch but the Boeing 707, which was indeed evaluated for the same, proved incapable of a comparable stretch due to its basic design and layout.
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northern ireland
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
what is the difference between a shrink e.g B737-600 to a growth e.g a A340-600 or a D8-400 or a B757-300 or B767-400?
Was the F100 a growth of the F70 or was the F70 a shrink of the F100?
Was the F100 a growth of the F70 or was the F70 a shrink of the F100?