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Mr Fogg I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but the fact is I was simply directly comparing the later day baby ops and current veuling ops. Veuling have very sensibly seen a good opportunity to use their aircraft based in places like agp and alc to operate in to CWL and probably make a good profit. I am not suggesting this is a bad thing and agree with macdo. No big player is going to base at CWL any time soon so something is better than nothing and I know a few people who have travelled veuling and have been impressed. Baby could have tried harder but didn't and the aircraft utilisation became unsustainable.
The problem with w patterns from CWL based aircraft is that the only routes that make money are ones such as agp and alc not ideal for w patterns as back to back uk meds don't work due to ftl's. The charter aircraft do operate w patterns but in general the crews don't and leaving crews all over the country doesn't fit the low cost model, even for Ryanair. So that leaves you spanish internals or perhaps something from spain to portugal or france. Ryanair do a lot if it but you've got to be a big name in the European market to make it work. Baby we're never a big enough name outside the uk. They did try a BFS-PRG as a w from CWL but it didn't last long and BFS wasn't ever that profitable to start with especially after fly be started bhd. And if you are suggesting veuling should be thinking about w patterns from CWL to other domestic or near Europe destinations I fear you are going to be sadly disappointed.
The problem with w patterns from CWL based aircraft is that the only routes that make money are ones such as agp and alc not ideal for w patterns as back to back uk meds don't work due to ftl's. The charter aircraft do operate w patterns but in general the crews don't and leaving crews all over the country doesn't fit the low cost model, even for Ryanair. So that leaves you spanish internals or perhaps something from spain to portugal or france. Ryanair do a lot if it but you've got to be a big name in the European market to make it work. Baby we're never a big enough name outside the uk. They did try a BFS-PRG as a w from CWL but it didn't last long and BFS wasn't ever that profitable to start with especially after fly be started bhd. And if you are suggesting veuling should be thinking about w patterns from CWL to other domestic or near Europe destinations I fear you are going to be sadly disappointed.
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Cheeky Visual,
You choose to mention Ryanair, OK I'm going back a few years when I worked with contracting flight crew to Ryanair and Ryanair do/did have crews all over Europe except that such is the Ryanair way of doing things these crew weren't positioned and/or hotac'd in these locations.
Ryanair had designated that some crew members, at the drop of a hat, were deemed to have a floating base and any positioning was performed in the crew member's own time when he/she was off duty and no hotac was provided because the crew member was deemed to be at his/her base for that day, that week, or whatever.
And around the same time I was hearing that the EZY crews were revolting because there was so much positioning and hotac going on.
So positioning and hotac does fit in with the low cost model and, in the case of "W" pattern Med's, Canary's or wherever the cost of hotac'ing and per-diem'ing five crew members for an overnight would make a price difference of less than GBP1 per passenger ticket over the four sectors operated.
But BMI Baby and Thomsonfly jumped on the low-cost bandwagon long after the horse had bolted so they were only going to get the dregs that the mainstream Loco's weren't interested in and, unfortunately, CWL was one such dreg.
The point I was making was that a UK LoCo could equally serve those Spanish destinations that Vueling is serving by "W" patterning flights in to CWL, crew transport to/from BRS is only 1.5 hours or BHX 2.5 hours, I wasn't having a go at you, I was merely pointing out that this isn't rocket science.
Right, Tropical Depression AGATON seems to have eased so I might actually get some work done today ... See ya
You choose to mention Ryanair, OK I'm going back a few years when I worked with contracting flight crew to Ryanair and Ryanair do/did have crews all over Europe except that such is the Ryanair way of doing things these crew weren't positioned and/or hotac'd in these locations.
Ryanair had designated that some crew members, at the drop of a hat, were deemed to have a floating base and any positioning was performed in the crew member's own time when he/she was off duty and no hotac was provided because the crew member was deemed to be at his/her base for that day, that week, or whatever.
And around the same time I was hearing that the EZY crews were revolting because there was so much positioning and hotac going on.
So positioning and hotac does fit in with the low cost model and, in the case of "W" pattern Med's, Canary's or wherever the cost of hotac'ing and per-diem'ing five crew members for an overnight would make a price difference of less than GBP1 per passenger ticket over the four sectors operated.
But BMI Baby and Thomsonfly jumped on the low-cost bandwagon long after the horse had bolted so they were only going to get the dregs that the mainstream Loco's weren't interested in and, unfortunately, CWL was one such dreg.
The point I was making was that a UK LoCo could equally serve those Spanish destinations that Vueling is serving by "W" patterning flights in to CWL, crew transport to/from BRS is only 1.5 hours or BHX 2.5 hours, I wasn't having a go at you, I was merely pointing out that this isn't rocket science.
Right, Tropical Depression AGATON seems to have eased so I might actually get some work done today ... See ya
Last edited by Phileas Fogg; 20th Jan 2014 at 00:41.
Good to see the CityJet/VLM Fokker operating today (if via FR24), having positioned in last night.
Seems a "leisurely" schedule with some 1.5 hr turnarounds built in at CWL and ORY during the day. Hopefully that means it will be punctual, if a bit slower than the Dash. Certainly looks to be running nicely to schedule today :-)
Seems a "leisurely" schedule with some 1.5 hr turnarounds built in at CWL and ORY during the day. Hopefully that means it will be punctual, if a bit slower than the Dash. Certainly looks to be running nicely to schedule today :-)
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I've managed to get some good deals with CityJet to Paris......£109 return, much better than what Flybe charged ex CWL and compared to EZY and AF from BRS.......let's hope these fares continue !!!
On a separate note, P&O Cruises have announced Genoa flights......well I think about 4-5 this spring/summer.....any idea who will fly there ??
On a separate note, P&O Cruises have announced Genoa flights......well I think about 4-5 this spring/summer.....any idea who will fly there ??
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Cheers for the dates.....do you know who will operate the flights there ? TOM ? Or a mixture of "whoever has available aircraft" ?
Anyone know how the CityJet loads are ? Got my first WX experience on Thursday.........cheers
Anyone know how the CityJet loads are ? Got my first WX experience on Thursday.........cheers
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City Jet - unable to book CWL-ORY
Tried their web booking page several times lately but there's no way to book beyond March on CWL-ORY. As time's getting on I'm having to book with KL/AF via AMS or go over to BRS. Any rumours? I'm hoping this is not a sign they're having second thoughts on ORY.
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No rumours however flights past March have not gone on sale yet as it forms part of their Summer season.
Flights will go on sale by the end of the month for flights to Glasgow & Paris Orly. Edinburgh & Jersey should also go on sale at this time.
Flights will go on sale by the end of the month for flights to Glasgow & Paris Orly. Edinburgh & Jersey should also go on sale at this time.
flights past March have not gone on sale yet as it forms part of their Summer season.
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There is more going on at CityJet than Cardiff i'm affraid and that includes looking at life beyond Air France if the sale is completed. This will likely mean new reservation systems, dropping the Air France flight numbers, GDS deals if they will use them and also how they are to shape the whole product.
Without knowing what's really happening in the background it's hard for anybody to really comment if they are competent or not.
Without knowing what's really happening in the background it's hard for anybody to really comment if they are competent or not.
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With regards to the Paris Orly flights, does anyone know if you can through check baggage onto Air France internal flights ? I used to be able to do it with British Airways via Paris CDG but have a far better choice of internal destinations via Orly......any info will be appreciated.
What are the load factors like by the way ?
What are the load factors like by the way ?
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There is more going on at CityJet than Cardiff i'm affraid and that includes looking at life beyond Air France if the sale is completed. This will likely mean new reservation systems, dropping the Air France flight numbers, GDS deals if they will use them and also how they are to shape the whole product.
Without knowing what's really happening in the background it's hard for anybody to really comment if they are competent or not.
Without knowing what's really happening in the background it's hard for anybody to really comment if they are competent or not.
I appreciate your sincere desire to defend the (new) home team come what may, but surely you have to acknowledge that not having summer flights on sale at this stage is a fairly egregious state of affairs?
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Had an email from Cardiff Airport confirming that the CityJet flights to GLA & ORY as well as EDI & JER after 29th March will be on sale very soon....as a frequent traveller to both GLA & ORY I'm happy with this.....I imagine they will now be under WX numbers...
Just hope I can through check baggage onto AF flights ex ORY !!
Just hope I can through check baggage onto AF flights ex ORY !!