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GXEYE,
Everybody loves a smart@ss!
Allowing 30 minutes (ish) to clear channels and collect bag I would be looking for public transport around 0515 ... you see the flight could have been scheduled better, to leave Florida/Arrive CWL 30 minutes later, then public transport, well a train anyway, perfectly scheduled but, hey ho, let's dump our punters in middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, no public transport for some one and three quarter hours afterwards, do we care?
As for me, alas I'm in a tropical paradise and without any sheep in sight, indeed there are no sheep on this island ... have a nice day!
P.S. Nope, I wouldn't be taking this flight anyway ... 2 engines oceanic and all that, I'll stick with the scheduled 4 engined carriers but thank you for asking.
Everybody loves a smart@ss!
Allowing 30 minutes (ish) to clear channels and collect bag I would be looking for public transport around 0515 ... you see the flight could have been scheduled better, to leave Florida/Arrive CWL 30 minutes later, then public transport, well a train anyway, perfectly scheduled but, hey ho, let's dump our punters in middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, no public transport for some one and three quarter hours afterwards, do we care?
As for me, alas I'm in a tropical paradise and without any sheep in sight, indeed there are no sheep on this island ... have a nice day!
P.S. Nope, I wouldn't be taking this flight anyway ... 2 engines oceanic and all that, I'll stick with the scheduled 4 engined carriers but thank you for asking.
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Why is everyone moaning about the public transport.. Surely majority of people would either use there own car OR get a taxi............. Cardiff has a new route, new airline in place AND all you now seem to worry about is public transport!!
Get a grip people!
Get a grip people!
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I'm with you 100% on this one Chrissy.
Those that have an agenda against the airport will always have one.
Those that expect an airline to base 3 or more aircraft at Cardiff is barking up the wrong tree unless either an unrealistic deal is made or heavily funded.
South Wales is one of the poorest regions in the UK along with one of the highest unemployment figures. So less people flying more than once a year.
Yes Bristol is performing better however their far wealthier and unemployment figures lower.
It has allready been revealed that the Welsh Government has sat on a report that a Delta service from Cardiff to New York would be beneficial to the Welsh economy.
This website has even found the report.
Cardiff Airport has done well in attracting Helvetic, Vueling, Monarch & Cosmos which is a major coup.
Welsh Government wastes millions on Cardiff to North Wales on the train / air service which compete against each other. They seem to also be dithering o. The proposed MRO facility at St Athan for both BA & Bruce Dickinson.
So maybe its time people attack the right culprits which is the politicians.
Those that have an agenda against the airport will always have one.
Those that expect an airline to base 3 or more aircraft at Cardiff is barking up the wrong tree unless either an unrealistic deal is made or heavily funded.
South Wales is one of the poorest regions in the UK along with one of the highest unemployment figures. So less people flying more than once a year.
Yes Bristol is performing better however their far wealthier and unemployment figures lower.
It has allready been revealed that the Welsh Government has sat on a report that a Delta service from Cardiff to New York would be beneficial to the Welsh economy.
This website has even found the report.
Cardiff Airport has done well in attracting Helvetic, Vueling, Monarch & Cosmos which is a major coup.
Welsh Government wastes millions on Cardiff to North Wales on the train / air service which compete against each other. They seem to also be dithering o. The proposed MRO facility at St Athan for both BA & Bruce Dickinson.
So maybe its time people attack the right culprits which is the politicians.
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Intresting reading, The report was produced in 2007, the same year as the economic downturn worldwide started, would be very intresting to see a new analysis based on modern day information, CO from BRS always seemed to do well enough on load factor, I think it was the business section that struggled, with many more options not far up the M4, surely Delta and the WAG would take the info from CO in to consideration now as well, the world is a very different place economically now 5 years on and CWL of all airports in the UK shows this in its downturn since 2007.
It is good to see CWL picking up a bit, the WW situation was the final nail in the coffin, but now your finally starting to see signs of new life, good luck CWL
It is good to see CWL picking up a bit, the WW situation was the final nail in the coffin, but now your finally starting to see signs of new life, good luck CWL
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York Aviation feasibility study CWL-JFK
The study was commissioned by the Wales Assembly Government in connection with the then Welsh Route Development Fund that was closed to new routes after 31 May 2007, three months before the York report was published,following new regulations that weakend the support such funds could give.
The York study envisaged a £580,000 per annum contribution from the fund for the first three years.
It reported on the basis of a year-round daily Delta Boeing 757-200 174-seat operation and its projected passenger figures would have meant an annual load factor of over 86% on a 'settled down year'.
WATABENCH rightly points out that the world is a different place economically these days though the York study apparently discounted the Continental Bristol-Newark service that was then in full swing (it wasn't mentioned in the study), so the fact that it no longer operates would be a plus point for any CWL operation.
The existence of the study was reported in detail by a Welsh newspaper recently at this link
New York air route ‘could bring in £1m’ a year - Cardiff news - CardiffOnline - WalesOnline
In the newspaper article the airport (CWL) is reported as saying that it 'strongly believes' that a Delta route to JFK could come to fruition though later in the piece an airport spokeswoman is quoted, "The conventional model for such a transaction of this scale and nature requires participation beyond Cardiff Airport." I take this to mean that they want some money from the WAG.
Delta makes the not unexpected bland reply that they have no current plans for such a route but are always open to reviewing their route opportunities.
In recent months there has been a lot of comment in Wales about a reported opportunity for a Delta CWL-JFK route based on the airline's demands for it to be underwritten by the WAG.
Without a big helping from the public purse it's difficult to see such a route starting in today's severe economic climate, and current regulations mean the WAG would have to be inventive anyway if they were minded to open their wallet.
I agree with WATABENCH that it's a positive and welcome sign that two airlines (Vueling and Monarch) have announced new routes from CWL in 2012 though I'm surprised that no-one has yet stepped in to take baby's place on the summer sun routes.
I was shocked to discover that there were only 15 passenger aircraft arrivals and the same number of departures today, mainly turbo-prop with two being 29-seaters and two 19-seaters.
The York study envisaged a £580,000 per annum contribution from the fund for the first three years.
It reported on the basis of a year-round daily Delta Boeing 757-200 174-seat operation and its projected passenger figures would have meant an annual load factor of over 86% on a 'settled down year'.
WATABENCH rightly points out that the world is a different place economically these days though the York study apparently discounted the Continental Bristol-Newark service that was then in full swing (it wasn't mentioned in the study), so the fact that it no longer operates would be a plus point for any CWL operation.
The existence of the study was reported in detail by a Welsh newspaper recently at this link
New York air route ‘could bring in £1m’ a year - Cardiff news - CardiffOnline - WalesOnline
In the newspaper article the airport (CWL) is reported as saying that it 'strongly believes' that a Delta route to JFK could come to fruition though later in the piece an airport spokeswoman is quoted, "The conventional model for such a transaction of this scale and nature requires participation beyond Cardiff Airport." I take this to mean that they want some money from the WAG.
Delta makes the not unexpected bland reply that they have no current plans for such a route but are always open to reviewing their route opportunities.
In recent months there has been a lot of comment in Wales about a reported opportunity for a Delta CWL-JFK route based on the airline's demands for it to be underwritten by the WAG.
Without a big helping from the public purse it's difficult to see such a route starting in today's severe economic climate, and current regulations mean the WAG would have to be inventive anyway if they were minded to open their wallet.
I agree with WATABENCH that it's a positive and welcome sign that two airlines (Vueling and Monarch) have announced new routes from CWL in 2012 though I'm surprised that no-one has yet stepped in to take baby's place on the summer sun routes.
I was shocked to discover that there were only 15 passenger aircraft arrivals and the same number of departures today, mainly turbo-prop with two being 29-seaters and two 19-seaters.
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Well these routes are allready operated by the charter airlines so in fairness the number of destinations served from Cardiff should remain the same however capacity will be reduced.
We have allready seen the addition of Mahon from Cardiff from Thomas Cook and it is not beyond possibililty that capacity maybe added if required.
The withdrawal of bmibaby pluss their constant chopping & changing of routes sometimes even before they start to operate has had a negative impact on the airport. Other airlines will be reluctant to operate these routes as they strugle to see how they could make the route work if bmibaby couldn't.
However the Zurich route was a great announcement which hopefully will eventually work out. Now we can also add Barcelona and Orlando Sanford which are two routes historically been good for Cardiff.
Success breeds success and if this continues the we could look at a decent 2013 as i envisage a reduction in 2012 due to withdrawal of bmibaby.
We have allready seen the addition of Mahon from Cardiff from Thomas Cook and it is not beyond possibililty that capacity maybe added if required.
The withdrawal of bmibaby pluss their constant chopping & changing of routes sometimes even before they start to operate has had a negative impact on the airport. Other airlines will be reluctant to operate these routes as they strugle to see how they could make the route work if bmibaby couldn't.
However the Zurich route was a great announcement which hopefully will eventually work out. Now we can also add Barcelona and Orlando Sanford which are two routes historically been good for Cardiff.
Success breeds success and if this continues the we could look at a decent 2013 as i envisage a reduction in 2012 due to withdrawal of bmibaby.
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As for the Air China ad-hoc, my guess is that it wouldn't be for the Olympics as the Chinese delegation are to set-up camp in Leeds.
Maybe it is a one-off charter holiday, but still I am none the wiser!
Maybe it is a one-off charter holiday, but still I am none the wiser!
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There are no Ski flights as such from Cardiff this season. However it is possible to support the Helvetic service which offers 3 x weekly services to Zurich airport with many popular ski resorts not to far away.
Insbruck & Chambery are not making an appearance at Cardiff for this year and there has been no replacement for Geneva which was a void left behind by bmibaby.
Insbruck & Chambery are not making an appearance at Cardiff for this year and there has been no replacement for Geneva which was a void left behind by bmibaby.
