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Shamrock is thinking of a company that was called 'Flyforbeans' - was set up around 2007 at the very height of the boom. There appear to have been 2 companies involved - one was dissolved in 2010 and the other was dissolved in 2013. Since the company no longer exists, you can forget about them doing anything...
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Please People,
Stop taking life so seriously, shamrock7seal was having a joke, at CWL's expense, at FlyForNuts or whatever they were called, not only was the name a joke but the whole concept was a joke.
So, to bring matters closer to hand, here we have Chity Jet (deliberate misprint) being sold off by AF, no doubt losing much if not all of it's AF franchise work, and desperately looking for work.
And, around the same time, Flybe (that's "Fly British European" rather than "Fly for Beans") announce they are in dire straits and withdrawing from multiple loss making routes, so "hey ho" CWL's new airport directorship, precisely how many of which have a background in aviation, claim a scoop that they have saved the day by bringing in an F27-050 operator, a 1950's design aeroplane, to take up routes of gawd know how many flights/seats per day CWL to from EDI/GLA amongst others.
Am I going to knock it? ... No I'm not ... but a similar F27-050 operation in/out of Kidlington does spring to mind!
Stop taking life so seriously, shamrock7seal was having a joke, at CWL's expense, at FlyForNuts or whatever they were called, not only was the name a joke but the whole concept was a joke.
So, to bring matters closer to hand, here we have Chity Jet (deliberate misprint) being sold off by AF, no doubt losing much if not all of it's AF franchise work, and desperately looking for work.
And, around the same time, Flybe (that's "Fly British European" rather than "Fly for Beans") announce they are in dire straits and withdrawing from multiple loss making routes, so "hey ho" CWL's new airport directorship, precisely how many of which have a background in aviation, claim a scoop that they have saved the day by bringing in an F27-050 operator, a 1950's design aeroplane, to take up routes of gawd know how many flights/seats per day CWL to from EDI/GLA amongst others.
Am I going to knock it? ... No I'm not ... but a similar F27-050 operation in/out of Kidlington does spring to mind!
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The Fokker 50 is a 1980s design as you well know. Unless you refuse to fly on a new B737NG on the ground that it dates from the early 60s?
It's a reliable aircraft and a good product and flown not by CityJet but by what's left of VLM. They're all Belgian registered, how this world from low cost South Wales I know not.
It's a reliable aircraft and a good product and flown not by CityJet but by what's left of VLM. They're all Belgian registered, how this world from low cost South Wales I know not.
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Phileas, really? You're really comparing Cityjet out of CWL with a pax base already there (ex/Flybe), to the Minoan lark out of Kidlington? And yes the F50 is not the latest bit of kit granted, but on short domestic routes I'd suggest that it would be a fairly economical choice.
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FMS,
Does the F27-050 compare on appearance and performance with the ATR42, the DHC8 and/or the S2000? ... No it does not!
It's an antiquainted piece of kit that is, and looks like, it's from the 1950's and therefore lacks passenger appeal and, in a previous life, I worked for the world's largest F27 operator so I'm not anti F27 in any shape or form, merely that it had it's day in the 60's, 70's and 80's and those days are long since passed.
Meanwhile the economics of how many hundreds of seats daily each way between Rhoose and two Scottish cities that are so close to each other, who's for waging a bet that these two routes and the announced frequency of serviced are a winner and will remain operating for longer than 12 months?
Put up or shut up ... as they say
Does the F27-050 compare on appearance and performance with the ATR42, the DHC8 and/or the S2000? ... No it does not!
It's an antiquainted piece of kit that is, and looks like, it's from the 1950's and therefore lacks passenger appeal and, in a previous life, I worked for the world's largest F27 operator so I'm not anti F27 in any shape or form, merely that it had it's day in the 60's, 70's and 80's and those days are long since passed.
Meanwhile the economics of how many hundreds of seats daily each way between Rhoose and two Scottish cities that are so close to each other, who's for waging a bet that these two routes and the announced frequency of serviced are a winner and will remain operating for longer than 12 months?
Put up or shut up ... as they say
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Does the F27-050 compare on appearance and performance with the ATR42, the DHC8 and/or the S2000? ... No it does not!
I don't see CityJet lasting too long after stepping out from under AF/KL, I will also be surprised if BMI Regional make it through the summer.
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Yet, in another of my previous lives having been affiliated with the world's largest S2000 operator, and having travelled the jumpseat a number of times, despite it's age and limited production it remains the world's most advanced turbo-prop ... which the F*kker27-050ain't
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This is the most negative thread I have ever read - talk about turning potential good news into a disaster yet to happen! Interestingly most of the most vociferous tend to have no connection to Cardiff or its vicinity so have little hands on knowledge of the CWL market. Are they just airline md's on their downtime?
Personally I think this has legs (and I know the market but not this carrier well). How about giving it 6 months and then review - dont start giving it the last rites before its even been born.
Seasons greetings to you all
Personally I think this has legs (and I know the market but not this carrier well). How about giving it 6 months and then review - dont start giving it the last rites before its even been born.
Seasons greetings to you all
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It's an antiquainted piece of kit that is, and looks like, it's from the 1950's and therefore lacks passenger appeal
This is the most negative thread I have ever read
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I love this thread. I have a quick read when I'm having a bad day and it really cheers me up. The unbridled and outrageous optimism of the discussion by some posters never fails to cheer. So thanks, and have a very Happy Christmas.
PS as far as SLF are concerned, whirling proppy things visible on an a/c = fear. Age of kit is not an issue.
PPS Loved the SF 2000, great to fly in.
PS as far as SLF are concerned, whirling proppy things visible on an a/c = fear. Age of kit is not an issue.
PPS Loved the SF 2000, great to fly in.
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About the only thing I've bitten today is a bacon & egg bap.
"Of the valleys", there's no valleys where I live as I sit beside a tropical beach in my t-shirt and shorts ... What's the climate like in those valleys at this time of year?
"Of the valleys", there's no valleys where I live as I sit beside a tropical beach in my t-shirt and shorts ... What's the climate like in those valleys at this time of year?
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I love this thread. I have a quick read when I'm having a bad day and it really cheers me up. The unbridled and outrageous optimism of the discussion by some posters never fails to cheer
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Couple of questions I thought someone on here might have some intelligence on......
Flybe Ski routes - given they went on sale does anyone know what the loads have been like and if any Tour Operators have taken allocations ?
Cityjet - again given the lateness on sale for the new GLA and ORY routes - are they advertising anywhere or are the airport supporting them with any advertising ? If not, how will pax know other than some launch publicity ?
Flybe Ski routes - given they went on sale does anyone know what the loads have been like and if any Tour Operators have taken allocations ?
Cityjet - again given the lateness on sale for the new GLA and ORY routes - are they advertising anywhere or are the airport supporting them with any advertising ? If not, how will pax know other than some launch publicity ?
