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Why on earth would Easyjet dilute it's own market by flying W patterns from Cardiff? Easyjet can get Welsh passengers to travel to them at BRS rather than having to do an extra rotation to go to Cardiff, it would be ridiculous. Also there is no winter market at Cardiff, as has been proven in the last few years with all of the ski companies pulling out of Cardiff due to it being not financially viable. I am not saying there will never be a market in the Winter, just currently there isn't.
Vueling have stated that anything beyond around 2 and a half hours is too far from Cardiff. It is not part of their current business plan, they would rather do lots of rotations in a day.
Also with respect to long haul, if Cardiff can not have routes to AMS, DUB, EDI being stable in terms of passengers level, what airline would think a risky long haul service would be a good idea?! Cardiff needs to stabilise first, grow what it has, then look to getting new and old markets operating.
It isn't a game. It is business.
Vueling have stated that anything beyond around 2 and a half hours is too far from Cardiff. It is not part of their current business plan, they would rather do lots of rotations in a day.
Also with respect to long haul, if Cardiff can not have routes to AMS, DUB, EDI being stable in terms of passengers level, what airline would think a risky long haul service would be a good idea?! Cardiff needs to stabilise first, grow what it has, then look to getting new and old markets operating.
It isn't a game. It is business.
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Well, as you said there are plenty of welsh passengers travelling to BRS to fly with EZY so isn't that shouting out to EZY and CWL that routes from CWL would work! Especially with EZY expanding their fleet
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Why should EZY spend money opening a new base i.e. employees, ground infrastructure... at CWL when it is all ready at BRS? Why spend the money on two bases, when you can have one that does the same job without diluting your own market?
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An airline like EZY can afford to take risks in operating from new bases, for instance they are operating small services from BOH that is quite an economically risky decision but they are clearly willing to try
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No airline can afford to take risks. This is why airlines go out of business.
BOH is completely different to CWL, the area is much more wealthy so the odd flight to GVA in the winter works. FR can't even make BOH work, with flights stopping for three months a year.
Let us look at EZY from DSA. By your logic EZY from DSA should work with MAN just up to road. It didn't even last a year.
BOH is completely different to CWL, the area is much more wealthy so the odd flight to GVA in the winter works. FR can't even make BOH work, with flights stopping for three months a year.
Let us look at EZY from DSA. By your logic EZY from DSA should work with MAN just up to road. It didn't even last a year.
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Yes but you can't compare how well DSA did to how CWL would? For all anyone knows it could be a good alternative to BRS considering the size of BRS, I know cardiff isn't LHR but due to the lack of a/c's there are always a few stands spare. I think that services to PMI, IBZ, PRG, FAO would all do great from CWL
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Easy and FR are not going to dilute there routes out of BRS hence why they stay with the bigger and more wealthy market. Until the Welsh economy recovers in a big way then CWL has a small market that is filled by a niche operation. CWL will expand but it will be slow and steady and that will be much better in the long run as it will be far more sustainable.
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Until the Welsh economy recovers in a big way then CWL has a small market that is filled by a niche operation.
And as xtypeman so eloquently puts it that is exactly the way it is - end of.
And as xtypeman so eloquently puts it that is exactly the way it is - end of.
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Another point - whilst a fairly large number of the Welsh catchment uses Bristol, remember that they are spread across a large number of destinations. If they were all on say the Rome, then yes, a Rome service from Cardiff may make sense. But when it is a question of ten on this flight, fifteen on that one etc etc, then none of them make sense from Cardiff.
The argument about an airline being willing to 'try' is a little silly - a whole load of research goes into a new route decision, and it's most certainly not a case of 'suck it and see'. Now and again, they get it wrong - Planenut's comment about DSA proves that - but most of the time, they get it right. Airlines, especially in this economy, are very risk averse - and Cardiff is seen as a risk, based on history.
Xtypeman's last comment should be stickied at the top of this thread. Cardiff's market is relatively small and relatively poor, and airlines would rather go someplace else.
The argument about an airline being willing to 'try' is a little silly - a whole load of research goes into a new route decision, and it's most certainly not a case of 'suck it and see'. Now and again, they get it wrong - Planenut's comment about DSA proves that - but most of the time, they get it right. Airlines, especially in this economy, are very risk averse - and Cardiff is seen as a risk, based on history.
Xtypeman's last comment should be stickied at the top of this thread. Cardiff's market is relatively small and relatively poor, and airlines would rather go someplace else.
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Inbound tourism
The airport should look to increase the levels of inbound tourism to up its game. Hopefully, this years Dusseldorf and Vienna programs work well and will come back next year. However, Wales will need to up its advertising to increase awareness and brand knowledge.
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The high street travel agents in Wales must get behind Cardiff Airport
and introduce more local flights. I think it's sad that these outlets are making money from the local economies by bankrolling others outside of Wales.
and introduce more local flights. I think it's sad that these outlets are making money from the local economies by bankrolling others outside of Wales.
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I must admit, I was staring at the thing for a while before I realised I was looking at something momentous, not a 737 or 757.
Took off around 17:45. Incredibly quiet, quite graceful.
It was quite a shock to a) see a 787 b) actually see said mythical beast in the sky.
I presume they won't be flying from CWL regularly?
Daniel
Took off around 17:45. Incredibly quiet, quite graceful.
It was quite a shock to a) see a 787 b) actually see said mythical beast in the sky.
I presume they won't be flying from CWL regularly?
Daniel
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Celtic Rambler and Planenut you need to define risk. Yes commercial airlines take commercial risks but with in limits. So really any airline will take risk based on informed opinion. This can be a combination of different information like O&D data route statistics etc etc. No airline will take an uninformed punt in this present climate. Yes I know a past Welsh Airline owner relied on taxi drivers to give him route advice but that's why its no longer about.
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It's my understanding that the BA 787's will pass through CWL for initial training and then maintenance in due course.
One would assume that BA dreamliner will have their major maintenance at Cardiff as they will be replacing the B762 and some B744 however I have been reliably informed that no decision has been made as of yet.
As for flight training could be a possibility but i'm sure the first airframe is due this month have not heard any rumours of training as of yet.