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Well, that'll work then, turn the bloo#y place into another branch of the Civil Service. Productivity is bound to leap upwards and South Wales is so affluent it can easily afford to pump a few more million in to subiidise a better service to Ynys Mon!
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Couldn't have put it better myself, Macdo.
The big question here - why is the WG making these comments when it has yet to work out why the airport isn't working?
I can answer that for them - because the real reason that the airport isn't working is that the Welsh economy is in the toilet, over dependent on the public sector (which is being cut), and with a culture that discourages wealth creation. No spare cash means no demand for travel means no services means failing airport.
And who did this to the Welsh economy? Step forward Carwyn and his idiot Labour mates. The ones who are trying to buy the airport. Saves them having to ask the awkward question about why the airport is struggling, anyway...
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The big question here - why is the WG making these comments when it has yet to work out why the airport isn't working?
I can answer that for them - because the real reason that the airport isn't working is that the Welsh economy is in the toilet, over dependent on the public sector (which is being cut), and with a culture that discourages wealth creation. No spare cash means no demand for travel means no services means failing airport.
And who did this to the Welsh economy? Step forward Carwyn and his idiot Labour mates. The ones who are trying to buy the airport. Saves them having to ask the awkward question about why the airport is struggling, anyway...
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"Well Loneranger, without one of these forums that you refer to, im quite sure that CWL would be without a major support group, which would further isolate the airport and its management."
One of my my points made for me Guru, you believe the musings and postulations of a small group on an internet forum make a difference to how an airport is run.
One of my my points made for me Guru, you believe the musings and postulations of a small group on an internet forum make a difference to how an airport is run.
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Echo the four posts above, once again the WAG making stupid comments on nothing they know about.
Money from the Westminster pot and UK tax payer will be wasted by the WAG on this white elephant just so Wales can have an international airport that nobody uses or really needs.
The politicians on the gravy train down the bay can posture around and waste more time and money on this and other stupid projects, coastal paths,cycle tracks and Welsh language development to name a few that we have to put up with all backed up by the Pontcanna mafia in the BBC. (slight drift, rant over)
I go back to some of my other post on the airport, it needs to rethink and go back to basics.
Money from the Westminster pot and UK tax payer will be wasted by the WAG on this white elephant just so Wales can have an international airport that nobody uses or really needs.
The politicians on the gravy train down the bay can posture around and waste more time and money on this and other stupid projects, coastal paths,cycle tracks and Welsh language development to name a few that we have to put up with all backed up by the Pontcanna mafia in the BBC. (slight drift, rant over)
I go back to some of my other post on the airport, it needs to rethink and go back to basics.
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A fresh start for CWL lies ahead. If i were any of the candidates i wouldnt take the job unless Abertis stumped up the £21 Million for redevelopment. Then the WG will award the £5 Million.
Lets just hope the new MD is someone with fresh ideas, and can bring growth to CWL.
In all fairness PD has served us all well, and it will be a shame to see him leave. Lets just hope that Spencer Birns stays, he has done wonders at CWL !
Lets just hope the new MD is someone with fresh ideas, and can bring growth to CWL.
In all fairness PD has served us all well, and it will be a shame to see him leave. Lets just hope that Spencer Birns stays, he has done wonders at CWL !
How about ploughing a road from St Athan up to the motorway. Rail and road link from an airport to the rest of the world.
Isn't that why they built that hangar big enough to hold a herd of white elephants? Shift flights to St Athan and then turn Rhoose Municipal aerodrome into "Penarth West Housing Estate". It does kinda look as if Cardiff is being run down whilst St Athan is being spun back up.
Isn't that why they built that hangar big enough to hold a herd of white elephants? Shift flights to St Athan and then turn Rhoose Municipal aerodrome into "Penarth West Housing Estate". It does kinda look as if Cardiff is being run down whilst St Athan is being spun back up.
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Airlines like Emirates, with services into a hub airport in the Middle East, Delta with a service to North America and Michael O’Leary’s low-cost Ryanair, will come to Cardiff – providing Abertis offers competitive landing fees and the Welsh Government effectively underwrites any losses in the first few years of establishing financially-sustainable new routes.
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Cardiff DOES offer competitive landing (and other) charges. And I would just love to see how many milliseconds it would take after the announcement that an airline's losses would be underwritten before someone else cried Uncle. This would be unlawful state support.
As for the 'Wales is a development area therefore it's all ok, honestly' argument - that was the basis of the Charleroi defence....
It didn't wash there, either.
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As for the 'Wales is a development area therefore it's all ok, honestly' argument - that was the basis of the Charleroi defence....
It didn't wash there, either.
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My understanding is that FR have a 'Nil' landing charges agreement with BRS, which is why O'Leary moved there when CWL upped their charges on the DUB route back in 2006.
BRS struck the deal with FR as they could make up for it with ancillary spending within the terminal. Something which CWL doenst have the capability to do so due to the size of our departures area etc, but im sure that CWL could make it work if the need arose at anytime.
With regard to your Delta, EK theory, then i do agree, but as TA states, this would cause uproar across the severn. Back before the ryder cup, delta had gone as far as negotiating and securing landing and departure slots at CWL, so they must have been told by WG that the support was available, as they wouldnt have bothered without it. But then something must have happened as Delta pulled out of negotiations, for reasons which i nor others seem to know.
The way forward for CWL is to attract more carriers similar to Vueling such as Air Berlin or its low cost subsidiary, Niki. Then, when PAX numbers are back upto respectable levels, i.e. approaching 2 million, then the airlines that you mention may take note of CWL. The hardest struggle is getting upto around the 1.6 million mark again, which needs to gain around 500-600 thousand passengers based on current levels. Lets just keep supporting our existing routes and trying to exploit areas that BRS doesnt have covered !
Also the SFB charter with MON begins a week tomorrow, so that will help support passenger pevels a little more !
BRS struck the deal with FR as they could make up for it with ancillary spending within the terminal. Something which CWL doenst have the capability to do so due to the size of our departures area etc, but im sure that CWL could make it work if the need arose at anytime.
With regard to your Delta, EK theory, then i do agree, but as TA states, this would cause uproar across the severn. Back before the ryder cup, delta had gone as far as negotiating and securing landing and departure slots at CWL, so they must have been told by WG that the support was available, as they wouldnt have bothered without it. But then something must have happened as Delta pulled out of negotiations, for reasons which i nor others seem to know.
The way forward for CWL is to attract more carriers similar to Vueling such as Air Berlin or its low cost subsidiary, Niki. Then, when PAX numbers are back upto respectable levels, i.e. approaching 2 million, then the airlines that you mention may take note of CWL. The hardest struggle is getting upto around the 1.6 million mark again, which needs to gain around 500-600 thousand passengers based on current levels. Lets just keep supporting our existing routes and trying to exploit areas that BRS doesnt have covered !
Also the SFB charter with MON begins a week tomorrow, so that will help support passenger pevels a little more !
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Landing charges are of less interest than the pax service charges - the latter is a PVC, the former a DOC. And overall, the overall package to the airline is the interesting thing, not the elements of it.
The way to do this is to prove in terms that the airlines understand that the market exists out of Cardiff. No one seems to want to address that elephant in the room, except the wiser heads on here. Sadly, the evidence is starting to prove the opposite.
Looking at Vueling's loads - dismal. April showed a load factor out of CWL of less than 50% - which for a low cost is poor. Unless this really picks up, we can add Vueling to the list of the 'Failed in Wales' carriers...
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The way forward for CWL is to attract more carriers similar to Vueling such as Air Berlin or its low cost subsidiary, Niki.
Looking at Vueling's loads - dismal. April showed a load factor out of CWL of less than 50% - which for a low cost is poor. Unless this really picks up, we can add Vueling to the list of the 'Failed in Wales' carriers...
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I do agree with you there TA. Just bear in mind that it was the first full month of operations from CWL. Im sure we will be up into the 60's or 70's pretty soon. Hopefully we can achieve VY's target of 75% throughout the peak summer season.
To attract passengers, CWL has GOT to get some from across the bridge in order for us to have success. For this to happen, CWL, airlines and even VisitWales has to advertise further afield, i.e. Bristol, birmingham, exeter etc.
Also for us to achieve VY expansion next summer we have to get people on all the flights to BCN, ALC and PMI. Judging the current price of most ALC rotations, loads are looking good. PMI needs to pick up a little though, as well as BCN.
As Alex Cruz said when VY first arrived here, they will only judge the success of CWL based on the BCN route. The others would be additional, presumably developed from spencer ! Personally i would have liked to see AGP as well, although VY doesnt have that long now to decide whether they are to operate at CWL throughout the winter !
To attract passengers, CWL has GOT to get some from across the bridge in order for us to have success. For this to happen, CWL, airlines and even VisitWales has to advertise further afield, i.e. Bristol, birmingham, exeter etc.
Also for us to achieve VY expansion next summer we have to get people on all the flights to BCN, ALC and PMI. Judging the current price of most ALC rotations, loads are looking good. PMI needs to pick up a little though, as well as BCN.
As Alex Cruz said when VY first arrived here, they will only judge the success of CWL based on the BCN route. The others would be additional, presumably developed from spencer ! Personally i would have liked to see AGP as well, although VY doesnt have that long now to decide whether they are to operate at CWL throughout the winter !
