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Excuse me but perhaps my worst flight experience was in a 10 across economy B777-300 CDG/SIN whilst one of my more pleasurable flights was in a 9 across economy B777-200 MNL/AMS.
After all the B777 was designed and planned for 9 across seating in economy, only the penny pinching airlines are squeezing in 10 across seating making it damn uncomfortable for the people that pay their salaries.
So go guess who one of the latest penny pinching airlines are to squeeze 10 across economy seating in to the B777's?
After all the B777 was designed and planned for 9 across seating in economy, only the penny pinching airlines are squeezing in 10 across seating making it damn uncomfortable for the people that pay their salaries.
So go guess who one of the latest penny pinching airlines are to squeeze 10 across economy seating in to the B777's?
And as VV says, CWL will be like JFK, compared to Mykonos. Although they'd be able to get their A320 into there.
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Severn,
I know no more than what is in the public domain regarding this specific route at the moment, it's a piece of theory/speculation.
I also know a lot more about the Cardiff Airport core catchment and Long-Haul catchment area (Yes, they are different) than what i can openly write about on a public forum, so it's not in your interests to challenge me on that. Same goes for the entirety of the Cardiff City Region.
Cardiff has a growing prestige, and is a Capital city. The fastest growing city in the whole of the UK you know. Look at what South Wales has hosted in recent years, NATO Conference, Ryder Cup, Champions League Final this Summer ? Is it not right for QR wanting a piece of the fastest growing city in the UK ? I think not ... Who would have thought Iberia Express would have launched MAD this year ? It's the city of the unexpected as Roald Dahl once put it.
Take it for what it is, it's happening. Live with it, move on. Cheers !
I know no more than what is in the public domain regarding this specific route at the moment, it's a piece of theory/speculation.
I also know a lot more about the Cardiff Airport core catchment and Long-Haul catchment area (Yes, they are different) than what i can openly write about on a public forum, so it's not in your interests to challenge me on that. Same goes for the entirety of the Cardiff City Region.
Cardiff has a growing prestige, and is a Capital city. The fastest growing city in the whole of the UK you know. Look at what South Wales has hosted in recent years, NATO Conference, Ryder Cup, Champions League Final this Summer ? Is it not right for QR wanting a piece of the fastest growing city in the UK ? I think not ... Who would have thought Iberia Express would have launched MAD this year ? It's the city of the unexpected as Roald Dahl once put it.
Take it for what it is, it's happening. Live with it, move on. Cheers !
However, the question is whether it's worth it to Wales. If CWL can produce a masterplan that takes it not only back over the 2.1 million pax of 10 years ago but really looks to improving its sliding-downwards position of 20th in the UK (how about 12th or better?) then throwing money at it may be a great idea.
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Surely throwing money to take the airport back over 2.1 million pax and rise it up through the league table is only worth it if there is a tangible benefit to Wales and its economy. For example delivering 300k pax by getting BMI Regional to fly a couple of times a day to some key cities in ERJs would be worth more than getting Vueling to base a couple of airbuses delivering treble the pax but just flying them off to Faro and Ibiza for a week of sun.
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Surely throwing money to take the airport back over 2.1 million pax and rise it up through the league table is only worth it if there is a tangible benefit to Wales and its economy.
After all, Cardiff is apparently UK's fastest growing city and South Wales (Newport) recently hosted a golf tournament which would surely put the Celtic Manor and CWL at No. 2 behind Gleneagles and PIK!
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Regardless of which aircraft will operate the route, it is all about the actual number of bums on seats that CWL can attract.
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
Regardless of which aircraft will operate the route, it is all about the actual number of bums on seats that CWL can attract.
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
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I can't see that the number of passengers currently traveling through CWL in a year, set against those using BHX and EDI have any bearing. In some respects, because Qatar will be the only carrier flying direct from the Southwest of England / Wales to the gulf they will very likely do disproportionately well in relation to the aforementioned, both of which have extensive competition from the likes of Emirates, Etihad and Turkish.
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actually a very busy couple of days. There has been a A400 and Ba31 based for most of the time in addition to the 2 xE190s, dash, 2 x B73s, Ba41 and A320 which are all based and the Vueling in and out all day so not quiet for Cardiff these days. Would have been better to see the A350 in the Winter.
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In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
Also what's the total number of passengers travelling to the middle east as a whole? Bearing in mind EY and EK operating flights.
One thing it does mean is that BHX is catching up with the other regions. No wonder QR are pleased with the results. As to the rest, let the bean counters come up with the answers.
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Qatar will be the only carrier flying direct from the Southwest of England / Wales to the gulf they will very likely do disproportionately well in relation to the aforementioned, both of which have extensive competition from the likes of Emirates, Etihad and Turkish.
Meanwhile CWL has had KLM for a few decades now offering connecting services to M. East, Asia etc. so all that Qatar are actually bringing to the table are direct services to DOH and an alternative to other long-haul connections that have been in place for decades.
But ... Whenever I was travelling to Asia I couldn't achieve a good connection combined with a competitive fare with Qatar, either I needed to pay thru the nose for a short connection or I needed to layover in DOH for perhaps 20 hours and with only a few services per week to/from CWL I can't see that Qatar are going to be able to offer very many travellers short connections and/or competitive fares.
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