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Old 27th Apr 2017, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
Excuse me but perhaps my worst flight experience was in a 10 across economy B777-300 CDG/SIN whilst one of my more pleasurable flights was in a 9 across economy B777-200 MNL/AMS.

After all the B777 was designed and planned for 9 across seating in economy, only the penny pinching airlines are squeezing in 10 across seating making it damn uncomfortable for the people that pay their salaries.

So go guess who one of the latest penny pinching airlines are to squeeze 10 across economy seating in to the B777's?
I've never flown on a 10 abreast B777 but it doesn't sound such a pleasant experience to be honest.

And as VV says, CWL will be like JFK, compared to Mykonos. Although they'd be able to get their A320 into there.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 08:56
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A350

Nice to see the A350 based in Cardiff for a few days. A good positive story for Cardiff, shows the type of aircraft that they can handle. Even the A380 has visited.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 14:54
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Nice to see the A350 based in Cardiff for a few days. A good positive story for Cardiff, shows the type of aircraft that they can handle. Even the A380 has visited.
Nice and quiet for test flying?
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Old 3rd May 2017, 21:17
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Severn,

I know no more than what is in the public domain regarding this specific route at the moment, it's a piece of theory/speculation.

I also know a lot more about the Cardiff Airport core catchment and Long-Haul catchment area (Yes, they are different) than what i can openly write about on a public forum, so it's not in your interests to challenge me on that. Same goes for the entirety of the Cardiff City Region.

Cardiff has a growing prestige, and is a Capital city. The fastest growing city in the whole of the UK you know. Look at what South Wales has hosted in recent years, NATO Conference, Ryder Cup, Champions League Final this Summer ? Is it not right for QR wanting a piece of the fastest growing city in the UK ? I think not ... Who would have thought Iberia Express would have launched MAD this year ? It's the city of the unexpected as Roald Dahl once put it.

Take it for what it is, it's happening. Live with it, move on. Cheers !
I imagine you are Spencer in disguise again ... known for different personas in this forum. To claim there's no subsidy involved here is quite ridiculous. CWL as a whole is heavily supported by the taxpayer ... everything about it is subsidised. I would not be surprised if you were to say that no airport or handling charges, free offices, disappearing fees and loads of free advertising under your marketing budget do not constitute a subsidy. Oh yeah?

However, the question is whether it's worth it to Wales. If CWL can produce a masterplan that takes it not only back over the 2.1 million pax of 10 years ago but really looks to improving its sliding-downwards position of 20th in the UK (how about 12th or better?) then throwing money at it may be a great idea.

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Old 3rd May 2017, 23:21
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I don't think Spencer will be very flattered being mistaken for Airguru!
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Old 3rd May 2017, 23:27
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............and how many persona have you had OAM?
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Old 4th May 2017, 06:25
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Surely throwing money to take the airport back over 2.1 million pax and rise it up through the league table is only worth it if there is a tangible benefit to Wales and its economy. For example delivering 300k pax by getting BMI Regional to fly a couple of times a day to some key cities in ERJs would be worth more than getting Vueling to base a couple of airbuses delivering treble the pax but just flying them off to Faro and Ibiza for a week of sun.
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Old 4th May 2017, 07:01
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Surely throwing money to take the airport back over 2.1 million pax and rise it up through the league table is only worth it if there is a tangible benefit to Wales and its economy.
But do the people of Cardiff and south Wales show a similar level of enthusiasm to throw money at Cardiff Central Station and National Express Coach Services?

After all, Cardiff is apparently UK's fastest growing city and South Wales (Newport) recently hosted a golf tournament which would surely put the Celtic Manor and CWL at No. 2 behind Gleneagles and PIK!
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Old 4th May 2017, 07:17
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Regardless of which aircraft will operate the route, it is all about the actual number of bums on seats that CWL can attract.
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:

MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)

Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
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Old 4th May 2017, 07:37
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Originally Posted by Severn
Regardless of which aircraft will operate the route, it is all about the actual number of bums on seats that CWL can attract.
In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:

MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)

Looking at the above numbers, BHX and EDI, which handle over 10,000,000 passengers per year have still only been getting under 150,000 passengers per year on their DOH route. These routes now operate daily on a B787, so where should CWL really be setting their expectations given they now handle in the region of 1,350,000 a year?
I can't see that the number of passengers currently traveling through CWL in a year, set against those using BHX and EDI have any bearing. In some respects, because Qatar will be the only carrier flying direct from the Southwest of England / Wales to the gulf they will very likely do disproportionately well in relation to the aforementioned, both of which have extensive competition from the likes of Emirates, Etihad and Turkish.
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Old 4th May 2017, 11:58
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
I can't see that the number of passengers currently traveling through CWL in a year, set against those using BHX and EDI have any bearing. In some respects, because Qatar will be the only carrier flying direct from the Southwest of England / Wales to the gulf they will very likely do disproportionately well in relation to the aforementioned, both of which have extensive competition from the likes of Emirates, Etihad and Turkish.
I agree with this, the current passenger throughput has no bearing on the QR passengers. It will be some challenge filling a daily B787, but not impossible.
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Old 4th May 2017, 16:19
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EK have been operating out of Newcastle for 10 years, and now operate a daily 777-300, so agreed - not impossible!
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Old 4th May 2017, 17:05
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Nice and quiet for test flying?
actually a very busy couple of days. There has been a A400 and Ba31 based for most of the time in addition to the 2 xE190s, dash, 2 x B73s, Ba41 and A320 which are all based and the Vueling in and out all day so not quiet for Cardiff these days. Would have been better to see the A350 in the Winter.
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Old 4th May 2017, 18:35
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In 2016 QR carried the following number of passengers to DOH from the UK regions:

MAN-DOH: 336,461 (293,357 in 2015)
EDI-DOH: 133,983 (115,529 in 2015)
BHX-DOH: 110,585 (208 in 2015)
How does that equate in terms of load factors?
Also what's the total number of passengers travelling to the middle east as a whole? Bearing in mind EY and EK operating flights.
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Old 4th May 2017, 18:39
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One thing it does mean is that BHX is catching up with the other regions. No wonder QR are pleased with the results. As to the rest, let the bean counters come up with the answers.
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Old 4th May 2017, 22:39
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Maybe old news but Cardiff getting extra Bourgas flights on Thursdays with Balkan Holidays next summer
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Qatar will be the only carrier flying direct from the Southwest of England / Wales to the gulf they will very likely do disproportionately well in relation to the aforementioned, both of which have extensive competition from the likes of Emirates, Etihad and Turkish.
What you mean is that will be the only carrier flying direct to DOH, i.e. if one wants to travel to AUH, DXB, BAH etc. etc. etc. they they shall need connecting flights, as they would to travel onwards to Asia etc., but then BRS has been offering connecting flights to such destinations for years with the likes of KLM and Lufty with several flights daily so I can't really see the people of the south-west trudging across the Severn for one flight every couple of days when they have alternatives from their side of the Severn, possible but I can't see it.

Meanwhile CWL has had KLM for a few decades now offering connecting services to M. East, Asia etc. so all that Qatar are actually bringing to the table are direct services to DOH and an alternative to other long-haul connections that have been in place for decades.

But ... Whenever I was travelling to Asia I couldn't achieve a good connection combined with a competitive fare with Qatar, either I needed to pay thru the nose for a short connection or I needed to layover in DOH for perhaps 20 hours and with only a few services per week to/from CWL I can't see that Qatar are going to be able to offer very many travellers short connections and/or competitive fares.

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Old 11th May 2017, 16:45
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UEFA Championship

Anyone have any idea what airlines/aircraft will be operating through CWL for this event ?

I assume there must be quite a few planned......
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Old 11th May 2017, 16:53
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Vueling has flights to various points (Madrid, Milan, Barcelona and Turin).

Ryanair has some MAD flights on sale.
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Old 11th May 2017, 17:15
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I belive Juventus will use Cardiff and Madrid Bristol.

It will be interesting to see how both airports cope.
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